Sixers Heat Mavs Blazers

[Paz]

Ainge couldn't even get Winslow with 6 first round picks and you expect Hinkie to pull off getting him for 2?? HEAT pass on this quickly.

It definitely wasn't 6 1sts...

My b. 4 1st picks and 2 2nd picks. Still better than 2 1st picks in the lower half of the 2016 draft.

[Texas Chuck]

Also just want to mention Dallas probably passes on our bit part here. Value is good for us. Anderson is probably worth the extra $1M plus in a vacuum, but we already have Zaza, JaVale and Dalembert along with a couple young bigs we gave gtd money to. With our wing rotation being so light we will be playing 2 PG's quite a bit and all our PG's are are on the wrong side of 30. We could probably get a bit more use out of Felton than Anderson so paying extra money to swap them isn't needed.

No big deal really and the value is fine, but the fit is enough off that with the extra cost I'd imagine we'd say cut us out.

[BBallFreak]

I'm so over this board. You guys are killing me here.

[NBADraft2003]

Just hiddeous for Miami. If we had to attach Justise to get rid of Bird and Rio(I want them to stick around), then I be glad to have both of them back.

[Masterfully]

How about Heat 1st and Embiid to Miami for Winslow.

[leoshes]

I don't care if Micky has to pay the tax, its not my money. I want to keep Chalmers, cause he is our best backup pg, & i also want to keep Bird cause he is our best defensive center off the bench.

So in this trade not only are we loosing both, but you guys want to steal Winslow as well? GTFOOH

[Hardcore6erFan]

No one in this thread has any concept of trade value. I'm not saying Miami would do the trade but the fact of the matter is it's FAIR VALUE.

If we project the Heat 1st in 2016 to be #17 and the Blazers 1st in 2019 to be #18, well then let's look back at the 2013 draft. The Jazz traded picks #14 and #21 for #9. #17 and #18 for #10 is essentially the same thing.

Not only is #17 and #18 for #10 fair value, but the #17 is the Heat's own 1st, which could be UNPROTECTED in 2017. Dwyane Wade's knee's WILL NOT magically get better, they will likely continue to deteriorate and he will miss more and more games. Bosh had a serious heart issue which has risk to it, Deng is injury prone, McRoberts is injury prone, Stoudemire is injury prone, and Whiteside is a ticking time bomb. It is not farfetched to think the Heat 2017 1st unprotected could be more valuable than Winslow by himself.

Now when you factor in saving 20+ million in cap space/luxury tax savings that's roughly equivalent to another 2 mid to late 1st round picks. From a PURE VALUE PERSPECTIVE this trade is beyond fair for the Heat and anyone suggesting otherwise does not understand how the NBA works.

[HartfordWhalers]

For what its worth, there are lots of other boards where making outrageous comments for the intentional sake of making outrageous comments fits in. Too often this board fits that, and I'm glad when it doesn't.

[jbk1234]

No one in this thread has any concept of trade value. I'm not saying Miami would do the trade but the fact of the matter is it's FAIR VALUE.

If we project the Heat 1st in 2016 to be #17 and the Blazers 1st in 2019 to be #18, well then let's look back at the 2013 draft. The Jazz traded picks #14 and #21 for #9. #17 and #18 for #10 is essentially the same thing.

Not only is #17 and #18 for #10 fair value, but the #17 is the Heat's own 1st, which could be UNPROTECTED in 2017. Dwyane Wade's knee's WILL NOT magically get better, they will likely continue to deteriorate and he will miss more and more games. Bosh had a serious heart issue which has risk to it, Deng is injury prone, McRoberts is injury prone, Stoudemire is injury prone, and Whiteside is a ticking time bomb. It is not farfetched to think the Heat 2017 1st unprotected could be more valuable than Winslow by himself.

Now when you factor in saving 20+ million in cap space/luxury tax savings that's roughly equivalent to another 2 mid to late 1st round picks. From a PURE VALUE PERSPECTIVE this trade is beyond fair for the Heat and anyone suggesting otherwise does not understand how the NBA works.

Fair trade value is the highest offer a team could get for a player. Given what Boston offered for that pick, I don't think what you are offering is remotely fair. Two future non-lottery picks don't equate to a player taken in the top-10 from this summer's draft unless there has been a serious injury or red flag since the draft.

[HartfordWhalers]

No one in this thread has any concept of trade value. I'm not saying Miami would do the trade but the fact of the matter is it's FAIR VALUE.

If we project the Heat 1st in 2016 to be #17 and the Blazers 1st in 2019 to be #18, well then let's look back at the 2013 draft. The Jazz traded picks #14 and #21 for #9. #17 and #18 for #10 is essentially the same thing.

Not only is #17 and #18 for #10 fair value, but the #17 is the Heat's own 1st, which could be UNPROTECTED in 2017. Dwyane Wade's knee's WILL NOT magically get better, they will likely continue to deteriorate and he will miss more and more games. Bosh had a serious heart issue which has risk to it, Deng is injury prone, McRoberts is injury prone, Stoudemire is injury prone, and Whiteside is a ticking time bomb. It is not farfetched to think the Heat 2017 1st unprotected could be more valuable than Winslow by himself.

Now when you factor in saving 20+ million in cap space/luxury tax savings that's roughly equivalent to another 2 mid to late 1st round picks. From a PURE VALUE PERSPECTIVE this trade is beyond fair for the Heat and anyone suggesting otherwise does not understand how the NBA works.

Fair trade value is the highest offer a team could get for a player. Given what Boston offered for that pick, I don't think what you are offering is remotely fair. Two future non-lottery picks don't equate to a player taken in the top-10 from this summer's draft unless there has been a serious injury or red flag since the draft.

I gave this the and one, but I also just want to say exactly so. You have a clear known second offer that is betetr, how can you call the worse offer 'fair value'?

This feels like the old adage about the difference between wanting and deserving...

That package is enough to want Winslow. It isn't enough to deserve him at all.

[BBallFreak]

For what its worth, there are lots of other boards where making outrageous comments for the intentional sake of making outrageous comments fits in. Too often this board fits that, and I'm glad when it doesn't.

It wasn't for the sake of making an outrageous comment. I rather clearly was expressing my distaste for this trade by attempting to show the OP what the value related to in terms he might better understand - his team. A trade this bad doesn't deserve a gentle letdown. It deserves to be blasted. I will not apologize for doing so.

You want to warn me or ban me, be my guest but I'm not changing my posting style...

[nba2k16]

Why do the Mavs trade a useless scrub in Felton but get back a useful rotation piece in Birdman? Unfair to them

[Foshan]

For every action there is an incredibly exaggerated reaction.

[GQ Hot Dog]

For what its worth, there are lots of other boards where making outrageous comments for the intentional sake of making outrageous comments fits in. Too often this board fits that, and I'm glad when it doesn't.

It wasn't for the sake of making an outrageous comment. I rather clearly was expressing my distaste for this trade by attempting to show the OP what the value related to in terms he might better understand - his team. A trade this bad doesn't deserve a gentle letdown. It deserves to be blasted. I will not apologize for doing so.

You want to warn me or ban me, be my guest but I'm not changing my posting style...

For being a retired mod you're really not much of a team player. I find it a little surprising.

[Hardcore6erFan]

Why do the Mavs trade a useless scrub in Felton but get back a useful rotation piece in Birdman? Unfair to them

Sending Birdman to the Mavs for Felton saves the Sixers 1.05 million in salary.

[nba2k16]

Why do the Mavs trade a useless scrub in Felton but get back a useful rotation piece in Birdman? Unfair to them

Sending Birdman to the Mavs for Felton saves the Sixers 1.05 million in salary.

$1M is not worth the upgrade. Also, Sixers are below the cap floor so saving money doesn't mean anything for them cause the difference is paid to the players anyway

[Texas Chuck]

yeah this trade should have been locked long ago. The original idea missed the mark, but the responses really made this thread embarrassing.

[bondom34]

For what its worth, there are lots of other boards where making outrageous comments for the intentional sake of making outrageous comments fits in. Too often this board fits that, and I'm glad when it doesn't.

It wasn't for the sake of making an outrageous comment. I rather clearly was expressing my distaste for this trade by attempting to show the OP what the value related to in terms he might better understand - his team. A trade this bad doesn't deserve a gentle letdown. It deserves to be blasted. I will not apologize for doing so.

You want to warn me or ban me, be my guest but I'm not changing my posting style...

Just because I wasn't around earlier, I want to reiterate, this isn't acceptable. Yes, this trade was bad (as I even said in the 2nd post), but the replies have largely been unacceptable. Be respectful or don't reply please.