Phx / Phi (end of bench)

Post #1 » by **Foshan** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:49 am

So simple probably insignificant deal.

PHX: Archie Goodwin
PHI: Hollis Thompson

Thompson is a very good three point shooter, and when he's on-watch out. But he's not aggressive, not great off the bounce, basically he's a stand in the corner and make threes. Unfortunately because Philly is just so all around lacking in talent, Thompson usually tries to do too much with the ball and becomes ineffective. That said, i think he would be a good end of bench wing on a good team.

Goodwin doesn't seem to get to play much. This gives him a chance for minutes.

I think Goodwin has more upside (why philly wants him), don't think he gets opportunity to actually play enough to reach it behind the log jam at Phx, so they take a more developed spot up shooter.

thoughts? one need more value?

dorkestra · Post #2 » by **dorkestra** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:31 pm

Definite interest from Philly. I'm wondering though what the reasoning would be for Phoenix to want Hollis when they already have Tucker, Weems and Booker. It seems to me like they'd rather have a high 2nd round pick or something along those lines. Interested to hear Suns fans perspective though.

ratrac · Post #3 » by **ratrac** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:08 pm

I doubt that Phoenix would do this, but as a Sixers fan this is a easy yes. Would be willing to add something else to the deal.

Post #4 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:54 pm

Add a 2nd to phx imo

Post #5 » by **Smitty731** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:02 pm

I think Philadelphia would have to add something else. Probably one of their infinite seconds. Maybe two. Goodwin would probably be the best guard on the roster right off the bat for them.

bigmean · Post #6 » by **bigmean** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:53 pm

I love the deal I would think Phoenix would want something else as well

I am going to swing for the fences here

Phoenix get Miami 1st rounder via Philadelphia,Tony Wroten and Jermani Grant and may be one of NY second rounder conditionally

Philly gets Jon Leuer, Tj Warren and Archie Goodwin

Phoenix getsa pick in the teens, its open playing time for Booker, Wroten should be nice fourth gaurd when he comes back in mid December 15. Grant is good enough to be a end of rotation guy for them.

Potentially sixers get two starters and a compliment to Noel and Okefor in Leuer ( outside shooter)

Post #7 » by **BullyKing** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:01 pm

I see we're back to the Jermani Grant stuff.

Barkley_34 · Post #8 » by **Barkley_34** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:47 pm

[quote="bigmean"]I love the deal I would think Phoenix would want something else as well

I am going to swing for the fences here

Phoenix get Miami 1st rounder via Philadelphia,Tony Wroten and Jermani Grant and may be one of NY second rounder conditionally

Philly gets Jon Leuer, Tj Warren and Archie Goodwin

Phoenix getsa pick in the teens, its open playing time for Booker, Wroten should be nice fourth gaurd when he comes back in mid December 15. Grant is good enough to be a end of rotation guy for them.

Potentially sixers get two starters and a compliment to Noel and Okefor in Leuer ( outside shooter)[.

No. Warren is untouchable

hcsilla · Post #9 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:05 pm

I do not think that the Suns are interested in Thompson, whose value is very close to zero if not zero.

Covington might be a bit different, even if he would be a 11th man at the best, he has a cheap long-term contract. Althought he shoots the ball terribly this season.

Covington and the right to swap CLE's 2016 1st rounder to MIA's 2016 1st rounder for Goodwin may be a more balanced deal.

Post #10 » by **moocow007** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:53 pm

What exactly is Goodwin's value?

Post #11 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:01 pm

hcsilla wrote:I do not think that the Suns are interested in Thompson, whose value is very close to zero if not zero.

Covington might be a bit different, even if he would be a 11th man at the best, he has a cheap long-term contract. Althought he shoots the ball terribly this season.

Covington and the right to swap CLE's 2016 1st rounder to MIA's 2016 1st rounder for Goodwin may be a more balanced deal.

That is outrageously bad for Philly. So no it is not.

hcsilla · Post #12 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:12 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:I do not think that the Suns are interested in Thompson, whose value is very close to zero if not zero.

Covington might be a bit different, even if he would be a 11th man at the best, he has a cheap long-term contract. Althought he shoots the ball terribly this season.

Covington and the right to swap CLE's 2016 1st rounder to MIA's 2016 1st rounder for Goodwin may be a more balanced deal.

That is outrageously bad for Philly.

No, it is not.

Covington' value isn't high either. Goodwin may be easily worth moving up about 3-8 spots at the very end of the 1st round.

Post #13 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:16 pm

hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:I do not think that the Suns are interested in Thompson, whose value is very close to zero if not zero.

Covington might be a bit different, even if he would be a 11th man at the best, he has a cheap long-term contract. Althought he shoots the ball terribly this season.

Covington and the right to swap CLE's 2016 1st rounder to MIA's 2016 1st rounder for Goodwin may be a more balanced deal.

That is outrageously bad for Philly.

No, it is not.

Covington' value isn't high either. Goodwin may be easily worth moving up about 3-8 spots at the very end of the 1st round.

Covington;s value is way more than Goodwin's. Your proposal was horrific value for Philly.

hcsilla · Post #14 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:19 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
That is outrageously bad for Philly.

No, it is not.

Covington' value isn't high either. Goodwin may be easily worth moving up about 3-8 spots at the very end of the 1st round.

Covington;s value is way more than Goodwin's.

, okay.

Post #15 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:20 pm

hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
No, it is not.

Covington' value isn't high either. Goodwin may be easily worth moving up about 3-8 spots at the very end of the 1st round.

Covington;s value is way more than Goodwin's.

, okay.

Post a poll if you want to hear what others think...

hcsilla · Post #16 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:27 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Covington;s value is way more than Goodwin's.

, okay.

Post a poll if you want to hear what others think...

You think that polls on realgm trade board set players' values?

Post #17 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:31 pm

hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
, okay.

Post a poll if you want to hear what others think...

You think that polls on realgm trade board set players' values?

I think they will be more in touch on this issue than you are.

hcsilla · Post #18 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:44 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Post a poll if you want to hear what others think...

You think that polls on realgm trade board set players' values?

I think they will be more in touch on this issue than you are.

Probably polls have much more influence on your thinking than it would be ideal.

Gather information, analyze, think, use your brain, pay less attention to polls and your evaluation might become more realistic.

Post #19 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:46 pm

hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
You think that polls on realgm trade board set players' values?

I think they will be more in touch on this issue than you are.

Probably polls have much more influence on your thinking than it would be ideal.

Gather information, analyze, think, use your brain, pay less attention to polls and your evaluation might become more realistic.

If we want to play realistic as a card, I would go with the guy that has proven to be able to play, played better, and is under contract longer and cheaper. But thats just the way I do realism.

I thought a poll might help nudge you out of a view that from the outside seems blindly provincial, but it seems clear you are convinced regardless of what others might say.

hcsilla · Post #20 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:54 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
I think they will be more in touch on this issue than you are.

Probably polls have much more influence on your thinking than it would be ideal.

Gather information, analyze, think, use your brain, pay less attention to polls and your evaluation might become more realistic.

If we want to play realistic as a card, I would go with the guy that has proven to be able to play, played better, and is under contract longer and cheaper. But thats just the way I do realism.

For which team this guy plays, age and potential obviously do not matter.

Yes, that's your way of realism (which is probably powered by polls). No wonder it's misleading you.