BOS-PHI-ORL-SAC-PHX: A Rosterbation Masterpiece

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

BOS in: Okafor, McLemore, #8
BOS out: Jerebko, Bradley, #16, #45, BKN '17, BKN '18

Word is that Boston doesn't want to give up the #3 to get Okafor. So they trade their surplus of picks, plus Bradley and Jerebko, for Okafor, and they move up in the draft, adding what they hope to be three major pieces (Okafor, #3, #8) in one offseason. As valuable as the BKN picks are, they have only speculative value, as BKN has no incentive to tank. Precisely the sort of consolidation they’ve been rumored to want. They still have the Memphis pick in their arsenal. McLemore is the sort of redemption project they may be keen to attempt.

PHI in: Collison, Butler, #4
PHI out: Okafor

Essentially Okafor for the #4. They add Collison to replace Ish Smith. Butler makes the salaries work.

ORL in: Cauley-Stein (or Len, #28)
ORL out: #11

Cauley-Stein gives the Magic precisely the rim protection they’ve lacked at the center position, adding to their core. Poeltl could be available at #11, but Cauley-Stein is more of a known quantity. This frees the Magic to trade Vucevic without having to worry about filling the C slot; alternatively, they could run Cauley-Stein next to Vucevic, given his positional flexibility. An alternative is to send Cauley-Stein to Phoenix, with Len and the #28 going to the Magic, as Len routinely kills the Magic. The question there is whether the Magic value Len’s rebounding to Cauley-Stein’s rim protection and positional versatility, and vice versa for the Suns. In terms of value, the primary difference is that Len is set to be RFA in a year, while Cauley-Stein has three years left on his rookie deal.

SAC in: Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Goodwin, #16, #34, #45
SAC out: Cauley-Stein, Collison, Koufus, Bellineli, McLemore, Butler, #8

Sacramento sends Cauley-Stein and moves eight spots back in the first in order to grab (1) a veteran C to pair with Cousins and bring some stability to the locker room, (2) a young starting SG/PG who can spread the floor, and (3) a tough SF who can help them on the defensive end. They send out some bad contracts, along with the stable Collison, for three rotation players. Goodwin has untapped potential and nowhere to go in Phoenix. The Kings are set up for a playoff run.

PHX in: Jerebko, Bradley, Koufus, Bellineli, #11, BKN '17, BKN '18, (Cauley-Stein)
PHX out: Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Goodwin, #4, #34, (Len, #28)

Phoenix exchanges three starters to plug holes on defense with Jerebko and Bradley, and takes back a couple bad contracts in Koufus and Bellineli. They move from the top of the lottery to the back of the lottery. They balance out their roster and add the BKN picks to go into full rebuild. If they move Len and #28 to Orlando and take Cauley-Stein, they’re free to make a run at Dwight Howard in free agency.

I know this sort of thing never happens, but it seems to accomplish the goals of each of the respective teams, except arguably Phoenix, who forfeits any chance of competing for a playoff spot after this deal. I come at this from the perspective of a Suns fan who prefers to rebuild around Booker and Warren, and who would like to add some defensive talent around them. Curious to see where people think the value is off. In my mind, the questions are Boston and Phoenix, as I think that (1) we know Philly is down, (2) Sacramento would love this, and (3) one of these deals would work for Orlando. Boston needs to give up value sufficient for Phoenix to give up the #4, and arguably just one of the BKN picks, plus Bradley, is enough. But the problem with that is that you just never know how things will turn out. If BKN turns around, the Suns will have essentially given up the #4 for Bradley and a mid-first (as Jerebko is but a rental). By including Sacramento, all this gets evened out, as the move up from #16 to #8 offsets the difference in value for Boston, and the Suns get two cracks at recouping their top pick within the next two years.

[The Beam King]

Cut Sacramento out most definitely. I like Collison, #8 and WCS much mrore than Knight, Tucker and #16.

collison = knight in value esp with contracts taken into account
WCS>> Tucker/Chandler due to contract, age and potential
#8>> #16
Then the kings move all their depth for Goodwin and 2nd rounders?


No thank you X1,000,000

[j-ragg]

Magic say yes please.

[the_process]

BOS in: Okafor, McLemore, #8
BOS out: Jerebko, Bradley, #16, #45, BKN '17, BKN '18

Word is that Boston doesn't want to give up the #3 to get Okafor. So they trade their surplus of picks, plus Bradley and Jerebko, for Okafor, and they move up in the draft, adding what they hope to be three major pieces (Okafor, #3, #8) in one offseason. As valuable as the BKN picks are, they have only speculative value, as BKN has no incentive to tank. Precisely the sort of consolidation they’ve been rumored to want. They still have the Memphis pick in their arsenal. McLemore is the sort of redemption project they may be keen to attempt.

PHI in: Collison, Butler, #4
PHI out: Okafor

Essentially Okafor for the #4. They add Collison to replace Ish Smith. Butler makes the salaries work.

ORL in: Cauley-Stein (or Len, #28)
ORL out: #11

Cauley-Stein gives the Magic precisely the rim protection they’ve lacked at the center position, adding to their core. Poeltl could be available at #11, but Cauley-Stein is more of a known quantity. This frees the Magic to trade Vucevic without having to worry about filling the C slot; alternatively, they could run Cauley-Stein next to Vucevic, given his positional flexibility. An alternative is to send Cauley-Stein to Phoenix, with Len and the #28 going to the Magic, as Len routinely kills the Magic. The question there is whether the Magic value Len’s rebounding to Cauley-Stein’s rim protection and positional versatility, and vice versa for the Suns. In terms of value, the primary difference is that Len is set to be RFA in a year, while Cauley-Stein has three years left on his rookie deal.

SAC in: Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Goodwin, #16, #34, #45
SAC out: Cauley-Stein, Collison, Koufus, Bellineli, McLemore, Butler, #8

Sacramento sends Cauley-Stein and moves eight spots back in the first in order to grab (1) a veteran C to pair with Cousins and bring some stability to the locker room, (2) a young starting SG/PG who can spread the floor, and (3) a tough SF who can help them on the defensive end. They send out some bad contracts, along with the stable Collison, for three rotation players. Goodwin has untapped potential and nowhere to go in Phoenix. The Kings are set up for a playoff run.

PHX in: Jerebko, Bradley, Koufus, Bellineli, #11, BKN '17, BKN '18, (Cauley-Stein)
PHX out: Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Goodwin, #4, #34, (Len, #28)

Phoenix exchanges three starters to plug holes on defense with Jerebko and Bradley, exchanges Len for Cauley-Stein, and takes back a couple bad contracts in Koufus and Bellineli. They move from the top of the lottery to the back of the lottery. They balance out their roster and add the BKN picks to go into full rebuild. If they move Len and #28 to Orlando and take Cauley-Stein, they’re free to make a run at Dwight Howard in free agency.

I know this sort of thing never happens, but it seems to accomplish the goals of each of the respective teams, except arguably Phoenix, who forfeits any chance of competing for a playoff spot after this deal. I come at this from the perspective of a Suns fan who prefers to rebuild around Booker and Warren, and who would like to add some defensive talent around them. Curious to see where people think the value is off. In my mind, the questions are Boston and Phoenix, as I think that (1) we know Philly is down, (2) Sacramento would love this, and (3) one of these deals would work for Orlando. Boston needs to give up value sufficient for Phoenix to give up the #4, and arguably just one of the BKN picks, plus Bradley, is enough. But the problem with that is that you just never know how things will turn out. If BKN turns around, the Suns will have essentially given up the #4 for Bradley and a mid-first (as Jerebko is but a rental). By including Sacramento, all this gets evened out, as the move up from #16 to #8 offsets the difference in value for Boston, and the Suns get two cracks at recouping their top pick within the next two years.

Count the Sixers out of this.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Count the Sixers out of this.

Isn't the rumor that they're willing to trade Okafor for a pick in the top 6? Not sure why anyone expects they'll get more for him.

Cut Sacramento out most definitely. I like Collison, #8 and WCS much mrore than Knight, Tucker and #16.

collison = knight in value esp with contracts taken into account
WCS>> Tucker/Chandler due to contract, age and potential
#8>> #16
Then the kings move all their depth for Goodwin and 2nd rounders?

No thank you X1,000,000

It wouldn't be hard to cut Sacto out, but with all the draft picks flying everywhere, perhaps they get more in that respect (#26 from Philly? #23 from Boston? MIA pick from PHX?) You could also cut Collison and Tucker out of the deal, though I think they have equal value. You're wrong about Collison = Knight, as in the new salary cap landscape, long term deals are preferential to short-term ones (Collison, like Tucker, is essentially a rental at this point). Goodwin is a small upgrade from McLemore in my mind. Maybe Boston sends you Olynyk somehow or sends you Rozier. But cutting you out would mean the Suns send Len to Orlando and keep Chandler and Knight, with #11 going to Boston. Maybe Boston keeps Bradley and sends #23 to Phoenix. Plenty of ways to pluck this chicken.

Rondo/Goodwin
Knight/Casspi
Gay/Acy
Cousins/Tucker
Chandler/#16

IDK. I think the big thing here is adding a couple starters on long-term deals without giving up Gay.

[the_process]

Count the Sixers out of this.

Isn't the rumor that they're willing to trade Okafor for a pick in the top 6? Not sure why anyone expects they'll get more for him.

That rumor is on a Celtic Reddit feed with no linked substantiation.

[HartfordWhalers]

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