Should Boston trade BKN 1st Round Draft pick for Paul George or Jimmy Butler?

[Dominator83]

If boston wants PG its gonna cost them both Brooklyn picks, Crowder, Johnson, and Rozier. I would also like to have Boston take Monta Ellis. But Boston would have to add some salary to get it to work.

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And they call us Bulls fans greedy?

[RR9]

Yes, absolutely. However, it'd be all youth, i.e., not Crowder due to his intangibles as a glue guy on the court -- I see him as a deng/iguodala type.

17 BKN 1st
Jaylen Brown
Amir Johnson
Tyler Zeller
James Young

for

Paul George
Monta Ellis

Thoughts?

[campybatman]

In my opinion, you don't include Brooklyn's first round pick this year without putting a top-three protection on it. Otherwise what's the point of having this option and you don't utilize it, if you're Ainge? Again, I think that you aren't doing your job as a general manager if you neglect to include it. If Brooklyn's first round pick is outside of one, two and three, great. If not, you'll own Boston's first round pick next year.

So you are basically telling Chicago that unless BRK goes on an absolute tear or the lottery balls fall exactly perfectly and three teams jump from outside the top 3 and push the pick down to #4, that you are offering Boston's likely very late first in 2018. Yeah, I see them champing at the bit to accept that.

If you are going to try to protect the 2017 pick, then you need to give them the Nets 2018 pick unprotected if it doesn't convey and then, you might as well offer the 2018 pick right now since that is how the Bulls will value the offer since that is by far the most probable post-lottery outcome.

If you've read my recent posts, you would already know that I've no interest in offering either Brooklyn first round picks in a trade for George, Butler, Drummond or whoever. Therefore, if including a top-three protection to this year's Brooklyn first round pick deters one or all of these teams from asking for it, then so be it. I don't care. As said, I don't want to trade them to begin with. And I'm not one of the ones hoping for a George or Butler trade. Conversely, I want to trade for a young player who can defend and rebound consistently.

If you want to offer multiple first round picks to Indiana or Chicago, you can offer Boston's 2018 first round pick and the Clippers' and Memphis' 2019 first round picks instead. Moreover, you can offer two of four young players, such as Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Terry Rozier and Guerschon Yabusele. Perhaps, you add an expiring contract to make the deal work financially. For instance, Kelly Olynyk or Jonas Jerebko. Also, Ainge can offer Minnesota's, the Clippers' and Cleveland's second round picks this year as well.

[meekrab]

Those are all likely 20+ picks. Why would Indiana or Chicago be interested? Your opinion is your opinion and if you don't want to trade for Butler or George then don't make an insulting lowball offer.

[basketballwacko2]

If boston wants PG its gonna cost them both Brooklyn picks, Crowder, Johnson, and Rozier. I would also like to have Boston take Monta Ellis. But Boston would have to add some salary to get it to work.

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And they call us Bulls fans greedy?

That's what its gona take.

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[Homerclease]

No, they shouldn't.

[basketballwacko2]

In my opinion, you don't include Brooklyn's first round pick this year without putting a top-three protection on it. Otherwise what's the point of having this option and you don't utilize it, if you're Ainge? Again, I think that you aren't doing your job as a general manager if you neglect to include it. If Brooklyn's first round pick is outside of one, two and three, great. If not, you'll own Boston's first round pick next year.

So you are basically telling Chicago that unless BRK goes on an absolute tear or the lottery balls fall exactly perfectly and three teams jump from outside the top 3 and push the pick down to #4, that you are offering Boston's likely very late first in 2018. Yeah, I see them champing at the bit to accept that.

If you are going to try to protect the 2017 pick, then you need to give them the Nets 2018 pick unprotected if it doesn't convey and then, you might as well offer the 2018 pick right now since that is how the Bulls will value the offer since that is by far the most probable post-lottery outcome.

If you've read my recent posts, you would already know that I've no interest in offering either Brooklyn first round picks in a trade for George, Butler, Drummond or whoever. Therefore, if including a top-three protection to this year's Brooklyn first round pick deters one or all of these teams from asking for it, then so be it. I don't care. As said, I don't want to trade them to begin with. And I'm not one of the ones hoping for a George or Butler trade. Conversely, I want to trade for a young player who can defend and rebound consistently.

If you want to offer multiple first round picks to Indiana or Chicago, you can offer Boston's 2018 first round pick and the Clippers' and Memphis' 2019 first round picks instead. Moreover, you can offer two of four young players, such as Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Terry Rozier and Guerschon Yabusele. Perhaps, you add an expiring contract to make the deal work financially. For instance, Kelly Olynyk or Jonas Jerebko. Also, Ainge can offer Minnesota's, the Clippers' and Cleveland's second round picks this year as well.

Yeah well good luck with that.

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[meekrab]

If boston wants PG its gonna cost them both Brooklyn picks, Crowder, Johnson, and Rozier. I would also like to have Boston take Monta Ellis. But Boston would have to add some salary to get it to work.

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And they call us Bulls fans greedy?

That's what its gona take.

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If that was true Bird wouldn't be sitting up by the phone making it known PG was available.

[campybatman]

Those are all likely 20+ picks. Why would Indiana or Chicago be interested? Your opinion is your opinion and if you don't want to trade for Butler or George then don't make an insulting lowball offer.

STFU. Nobody asked you, nor was I talking to you. FYI, mind your own business in the future or don't read my posts.

[Dan Z]

Porque no los dos?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbl3oy9

Add a BKN pick to both Chicago and Indy and a future Celts pick or some other odds and ends to Indy.

Which team gets the 2017 pick? I think they'll both want it over the 2018 one.

Also I assume Indy gets more picks in this than the Bulls...?

[jbk1234]

Those are all likely 20+ picks. Why would Indiana or Chicago be interested? Your opinion is your opinion and if you don't want to trade for Butler or George then don't make an insulting lowball offer.

STFU. Nobody asked you, nor was I talking to you. FYI, mind your own business in the future or don't read my posts.

I see a ban coming.

[Saul Goodman]

I think Boston needs to suck it up and put the two Brooklyn picks up for George or butler.

Zeller
Jerebko
2017 pick
2018 pick


For George or butler



Boston has two wildcard picks down the road owning the 2019 clippers and 2019 grizzlies picks that could end up being of similar value. Strike while the iron is hot because once that pick is made it will be like a car losing value as soon as it leaves the lot.

[bondom34]

Those are all likely 20+ picks. Why would Indiana or Chicago be interested? Your opinion is your opinion and if you don't want to trade for Butler or George then don't make an insulting lowball offer.

STFU. Nobody asked you, nor was I talking to you. FYI, mind your own business in the future or don't read my posts.

This is absolutely not a way to respond to someone.

[meekrab]

Porque no los dos?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbl3oy9

Add a BKN pick to both Chicago and Indy and a future Celts pick or some other odds and ends to Indy.

Which team gets the 2017 pick? I think they'll both want it over the 2018 one.

Also I assume Indy gets more picks in this than the Bulls...?

Obviously Indy should get more picks, but Chicago has a good argument for the 2017 pick, since they're giving up the better player by a somewhat significant margin.

[Prospect Dong]

In my opinion, you don't include Brooklyn's first round pick this year without putting a top-three protection on it. Otherwise what's the point of having this option and you don't utilize it, if you're Ainge? Again, I think that you aren't doing your job as a general manager if you neglect to include it. If Brooklyn's first round pick is outside of one, two and three, great. If not, you'll own Boston's first round pick next year.

So you are basically telling Chicago that unless BRK goes on an absolute tear or the lottery balls fall exactly perfectly and three teams jump from outside the top 3 and push the pick down to #4, that you are offering Boston's likely very late first in 2018. Yeah, I see them champing at the bit to accept that.

If you are going to try to protect the 2017 pick, then you need to give them the Nets 2018 pick unprotected if it doesn't convey and then, you might as well offer the 2018 pick right now since that is how the Bulls will value the offer since that is by far the most probable post-lottery outcome.

If you've read my recent posts, you would already know that I've no interest in offering either Brooklyn first round picks in a trade for George, Butler, Drummond or whoever. Therefore, if including a top-three protection to this year's Brooklyn first round pick deters one or all of these teams from asking for it, then so be it. I don't care. As said, I don't want to trade them to begin with. And I'm not one of the ones hoping for a George or Butler trade. Conversely, I want to trade for a young player who can defend and rebound consistently.

If you want to offer multiple first round picks to Indiana or Chicago, you can offer Boston's 2018 first round pick and the Clippers' and Memphis' 2019 first round picks instead. Moreover, you can offer two of four young players, such as Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Terry Rozier and Guerschon Yabusele. Perhaps, you add an expiring contract to make the deal work financially. For instance, Kelly Olynyk or Jonas Jerebko. Also, Ainge can offer Minnesota's, the Clippers' and Cleveland's second round picks this year as well.

I feel like it's the Cleveland second that will really put that offer over the top.

I think your position is just "I don't want to make any realistic trades for any of the available star players". That's fine. I disagree, but it's fine. But "how about these bags of chips"? Get it done Ainge! " is just going to annoy people who are trying to figure out the market value if the trade did go ahead.

I said elsewhere that the 17 BRK plus one of Brown or the 18 gets it done, with very little, if any, extra value from Bos. That still sounds right to me, and I think Boston should probably do it - but it's close enough that I understand the hesitation.

[mikestar]

Here is the answer - no.

[Kings2013]

I wouldn't. Bradley/Crowder are fine, and the team is winning at its core now. Lebronn won't be around forever. Pretty sick to have two cores, the one competing now, and a early 20s one with these picks/Brown/Rozier/Zizic

[jbk1234]

I wouldn't. Bradley/Crowder are fine, and the team is winning at its core now. Lebronn won't be around forever. Pretty sick to have two cores, the one competing now, and a early 20s one with these picks/Brown/Rozier/Zizic

As a Cavs fan, I want them to hold onto those picks and not trade for Butler or PG. But it's the wrong move.

[Prospect Dong]

I wouldn't. Bradley/Crowder are fine, and the team is winning at its core now. Lebronn won't be around forever. Pretty sick to have two cores, the one competing now, and a early 20s one with these picks/Brown/Rozier/Zizic

Just like with starting quarterbacks, if you have two cores, you've got no cores... I can see the appeal of a ten year window, but if that's ten years of fringe contention, wouldn't it be better to have one serious shot at it now? And, as a Memphis fan, I can tell you that even three picks high in the lottery doesn't guarantee you even a playoff-quality core...

[T-d0t]

I wouldn't. Bradley/Crowder are fine, and the team is winning at its core now. Lebronn won't be around forever. Pretty sick to have two cores, the one competing now, and a early 20s one with these picks/Brown/Rozier/Zizic

As a Cavs fan, I want them to hold onto those picks and not trade for Butler or PG. But it's the wrong move.

It's the wrong move because those guys on those rookie scale contracts won't be cheap for long and then there is a possibility that Celtics draft a player who isnt as good as Butler/George