Victor Oladipo contract value with hindsight

[Slava]

Raw Stats: 15.9 PPG 4.3 REBS 2.6 AST 13.6 PER 36.1% 3 PT 53.4 %TS
0.08 ORPM/1.62 DRPM/1.70 RPM (7th among SGs)

Money owed: 4 years and $84M at a projected $101M/year cap

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[bondom34]

I'm just going to say I think it's too early with both of these two to entirely judge but I feel pretty good Oladipo would have seen a bigger offer if he hit RFA than what he got.

[HartfordWhalers]

Raw Stats: 15.9 PPG 4.3 REBS 2.6 AST 13.6 PER 36.1% 3 PT 53.4 %TS
0.08 ORPM/1.62 DRPM/1.70 RPM (7th among SGs)

Money owed: 4 years and $84M at a projected $101M/year cap

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2017-18   2018-19   2019-20   2020-21
$21,000,000   $21,000,000   $21,000,000   $21,000,000

Any chance we could get a wider set of options?

Something like a 7 point:
Lot of positive value
Medium
little
zero
little negative
Medium negative
Lot negative?

I dislike having to lump a guy who I would trade the OKC top 20 protected 1st for with a guy I would trade a Philly lotto protected 1st for, and without some categories break up how much positive value I end up there.

[Andre Roberstan]

I think he's slightly positive. Pretty certain he would have gotten higher RFA offers than his current contract.

I mean, do you think Brooklyn would put $3mil extra value on Dipo over what they were willing to do for Crabbe?

[HartfordWhalers]

I went slightly positive. I debated the medium positive but pulled back. But I would take him for the OKC first for instance no problem. Less so a lotto protected Philly pick, where I think I balk (not totally sure but leaning that way).

[Slava]

I think he's slightly positive. Pretty certain he would have gotten higher RFA offers than his current contract.

I mean, do you think Brooklyn would put $3mil extra value on Dipo over what they were willing to do for Crabbe?

His defensive stats look good but he is stagnating offensively to the point where he looks like the player he is going to be for the remainder of his career. His inability to infuse offense into lineups sans Westbrook would be a major concern for me if I were Presti, having offered him that contract.

What's more puzzling to me is that Donovan seems to trust Roberson far more than he trusts Oladipo.

[Mystical Apples]

Didn't see "CHA lotto protected 2018" so consider this my write in.

[Andre Roberstan]

I think he's slightly positive. Pretty certain he would have gotten higher RFA offers than his current contract.

I mean, do you think Brooklyn would put $3mil extra value on Dipo over what they were willing to do for Crabbe?

His defensive stats look good but he is stagnating offensively to the point where he looks like the player he is going to be for the remainder of his career. His inability to infuse offense into lineups sans Westbrook would be a major concern for me if I were Presti, having offered him that contract.

What's more puzzling to me is that Donovan seems to trust Roberson far more than he trusts Oladipo.

I think he's probably best as a secondary offensive creator for a team that needs slashing/defense and has good shooting and playmaking already.

Sooooo...the Nuggets?

Actually, I hadn't thought about it before, but I absolutely love the idea of a Murray/Dipo/Gallo/Chandler/Jokic lineup.

[Slava]

I think he's slightly positive. Pretty certain he would have gotten higher RFA offers than his current contract.

I mean, do you think Brooklyn would put $3mil extra value on Dipo over what they were willing to do for Crabbe?

His defensive stats look good but he is stagnating offensively to the point where he looks like the player he is going to be for the remainder of his career. His inability to infuse offense into lineups sans Westbrook would be a major concern for me if I were Presti, having offered him that contract.

What's more puzzling to me is that Donovan seems to trust Roberson far more than he trusts Oladipo.

I think he's probably best as a secondary offensive creator for a team that needs slashing/defense and has good shooting and playmaking already.

Sooooo...the Nuggets?

Actually, I hadn't thought about it before, but I absolutely love the idea of a Murray/Dipo/Gallo/Chandler/Jokic lineup.

Gary Harris will be comfortably better than him for Denver.

[Andre Roberstan]

His defensive stats look good but he is stagnating offensively to the point where he looks like the player he is going to be for the remainder of his career. His inability to infuse offense into lineups sans Westbrook would be a major concern for me if I were Presti, having offered him that contract.

What's more puzzling to me is that Donovan seems to trust Roberson far more than he trusts Oladipo.

I think he's probably best as a secondary offensive creator for a team that needs slashing/defense and has good shooting and playmaking already.

Sooooo...the Nuggets?

Actually, I hadn't thought about it before, but I absolutely love the idea of a Murray/Dipo/Gallo/Chandler/Jokic lineup.

Gary Harris will be comfortably better than him for Denver.

Probably true. I love Garris.

[bondom34]

If he's dealt (which I still think Kanter goes first) I kind of like Indiana as a fit too. Fills a bit of Monta's role only better I think, younger too. Don't know what to do to make that work though.

[Warriorfan]

A contender would get Olidipo level player production for the MLE in 2018.
He is young enough to warrant just under the max pay if he develops more and bumps up amotxj


How many teams have 20 mil in cap space next year.

[Andre Roberstan]

A contender would get Olidipo level player production for the MLE in 2018.
He is young enough to warrant just under the max pay if he develops more and bumps up amotxj


How many teams have 20 mil in cap space next year.

Imma let you finish, but no.

I checked the players who had at least Dipo's production in points, rebounds, assists and steals and played guard or guard/forward.
http://tinyurl.com/muhgy63

The worst player on that list is either Rudy Gay or Dwyane Wade. None make less than MLE.

Take steals off? Well, not much of a difference.

http://tinyurl.com/mz6p2h5

Take steals and rebounds off? Still not much of a difference.

http://tinyurl.com/l3hzqqg

The only non-rookie player on that list who's making less than the MLE is Lou Williams.

http://tinyurl.com/m7bekh4

Remove assists and ONLY count PPG, and Sweet Lou is still the only one making less than the new MLE on that list.

Drop 2 points off that to get to 14PPG (still only counting PPG) and you get a couple more names:

Redick
Dion Waiters
Jordan Crawford
and maybe Jordan Clarkson, depending on how you count the Arenas contract.

And Redick and Waiters are almost guaranteed to make more than MLE this coming season.

[bondom34]

....

Bruh, tiny URL.

[Andre Roberstan]

....

Bruh, tiny URL.

Fixed.

[HartfordWhalers]

....

Bruh, tiny URL.

Fixed.

Now go ahead and fix my eyes. They are still bleeding from that mess of a post.

[orlando_joe]

A contender would get Olidipo level player production for the MLE in 2018.
He is young enough to warrant just under the max pay if he develops more and bumps up amotxj


How many teams have 20 mil in cap space next year.

Imma let you finish, but no.

I checked the players who had at least Dipo's production in points, rebounds, assists and steals and played guard or guard/forward.
http://tinyurl.com/muhgy63

The worst player on that list is either Rudy Gay or Dwyane Wade. None make less than MLE.

Take steals off? Well, not much of a difference.

http://tinyurl.com/mz6p2h5

Take steals and rebounds off? Still not much of a difference.

http://tinyurl.com/l3hzqqg

The only non-rookie player on that list who's making less than the MLE is Lou Williams.

http://tinyurl.com/m7bekh4

Remove assists and ONLY count PPG, and Sweet Lou is still the only one making less than the new MLE on that list.

Drop 2 points off that to get to 14PPG (still only counting PPG) and you get a couple more names:

Redick
Dion Waiters
Jordan Crawford
and maybe Jordan Clarkson, depending on how you count the Arenas contract.

And Redick and Waiters are almost guaranteed to make more than MLE this coming season.

why does evan Fournier name not pop up? not big deal he makes a lot more then mle...just wondering

[Andre Roberstan]

A contender would get Olidipo level player production for the MLE in 2018.
He is young enough to warrant just under the max pay if he develops more and bumps up amotxj


How many teams have 20 mil in cap space next year.

Imma let you finish, but no.

I checked the players who had at least Dipo's production in points, rebounds, assists and steals and played guard or guard/forward.
http://tinyurl.com/muhgy63

The worst player on that list is either Rudy Gay or Dwyane Wade. None make less than MLE.

Take steals off? Well, not much of a difference.

http://tinyurl.com/mz6p2h5

Take steals and rebounds off? Still not much of a difference.

http://tinyurl.com/l3hzqqg

The only non-rookie player on that list who's making less than the MLE is Lou Williams.

http://tinyurl.com/m7bekh4

Remove assists and ONLY count PPG, and Sweet Lou is still the only one making less than the new MLE on that list.

Drop 2 points off that to get to 14PPG (still only counting PPG) and you get a couple more names:

Redick
Dion Waiters
Jordan Crawford
and maybe Jordan Clarkson, depending on how you count the Arenas contract.

And Redick and Waiters are almost guaranteed to make more than MLE this coming season.

why does evan Fournier name not pop up?

It does in one of the later ones. He makes more than MLE though.

[orlando_joe]

man your fast

[Texas Chuck]

Let's do Dipo for Barnes.