Butler to Suns

[pipfan]

I really think the Suns could make a huge jump next year. I think they have 7 straight years in the lottery-I would assume the owner wants to win some games.

1. Butler and Rondo to Suns for Knight, Dudley, Bender, #4 pick (Jackson or Tatum) and 2018 Miami pick

2. With cap space, and Butler on board-Suns go after Blake, Ibaka or (best chance) Milsap

Suns buy out Rondo ($3 million, and stretch it) and can decide about Len

Bledsoe/?/Ulis
Booker/Butler
Butler/Warren
Milsap/Criss
Chandler/Len

That team wins a lot of games, with 4 very good defenders and 4 very good scorers in the starting lineup. Warren/Criss/Len is a great start to a bench.


Bulls go for the rebuild and tank out 2018

[brackdan70]

seems like to much for Suns to give up. if they are wiling Chicago should jump all over that and reset.

Suns become solidly mediocre...with hopes of a FA...is it worth it?

[leo921]

I would do the trade but i want Chriss not Bender I dont think he will do anything in the NBA, for comparison sake he is a much worse Niko, worse defense, no rebounds and can't take guys off the dribble just a outside open shooter

[pipfan]

I would love to get Criss and the #4, and call it a day.

I don't see this new Suns team as medicore-that team is solid at all positions, with a top 12 guy in Butler and a great young SG in Booker. Milsap is still a marginal All Star

[NashtyNas]

That's a massive haul for Butler. Even still, I'd definitely be interested - I'd just need to get some FA's giving us the nod that they'd come to Arizona if Butler was on the squad. Without some sort of sign that we can actually improve the rest of the roster, it doesn't make much sense.

Also, no chance we do #4 + Chriss + MIA '18 because we really like Chriss already. You are selling Bender extremely short though because he's a very raw prospect so if you expected him to be rookie year Porzingis right away, of course you'll be disappointed. Bender is a piece that should be jugdged 2-3 years from now based on his delta between now and then - not based on his production last year where he barely saw the court and was certainly not ready for NBA action.

He came in to a new country with a new culture and language at the age of 18 as a project - I'm not sure what your expectations were but they seem quite out of line given the circumstances.

[RaptorsLife]

I know people be like these tank teams shouldn't trade for elite talent and mortgage future because it's not your beating the cavs or warriors

But collecting assets you gotta do something with it. Teams just try gonna overpay off sheets and pry them away

I love devin Booker and he has a amazing competivive and right amount of ego to want to elite but he needs to win games

[GimmeDat]

I would do the trade but i want Chriss not Bender I dont think he will do anything in the NBA, for comparison sake he is a much worse Niko, worse defense, no rebounds and can't take guys off the dribble just a outside open shooter

I'm assuming you haven't watched a lick of Dragan Bender, then.

[DaleyBlind]

I would do the trade but i want Chriss not Bender I dont think he will do anything in the NBA, for comparison sake he is a much worse Niko, worse defense, no rebounds and can't take guys off the dribble just a outside open shooter

Your wrong about Benders defense, one of the few things he looked good at this year when he got on the floor.

[pipfan]

If it is Criss, the Miami pick comes out. I really think the Suns can get a PF and be a great team, once they gel.

Booker as first option
Butler as best player
Chandler as defensive anchor (with Len doing the same off the bench)
Milsap and Bledsoe are outstanding 3rd option players
Warren could be in the running for 6th man of the year
Criss still gets good minutes to develop

I would think Milsap could be had for 3/80

[shrink]

What are the Suns going to do with two years of Jimmy Butler? They are built for the future and don't have vet players to compliment him. Their only question for the season is whether it goes 82 games or 86.

If the Cavs or Warriors aren't interested in Butler, BOS seems like the only team that might delude themselves into giving you the value of "the one star that gives us a chance at a ring!" However, the price stays lower because BOS has no one bidding against them at that level, and certainly not young lotto teams.

[Bentley1225]

Warren, Bender, #4, 2018 Miami 1st, 2019 Suns 1st (lottery protected) would be a starting point IMO for the Suns to inquire about Butler.

[pipfan]

That's too much for Butler-no way he gets that haul

I think owners don't just think ring Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Milsap/Chandler, with a good bench, could easily make the WCF

[hoosierdaddy34]

Way too much for Suns to give up. If this made them a title contender then maybe the overpay would be worth it. But as is they are still barely a playoff team after this trade. Keep the assets and building towards the future is what I'd recommend

[DaleyBlind]

Warren, Bender, #4, 2018 Miami 1st, 2019 Suns 1st (lottery protected) would be a starting point IMO for the Suns to inquire about Butler.

Dreamin. Thats way too much of a haul. Thats 3 first round picks, a rookie top 5 pick and a young starter.

[Monky15]

Drop Bender, Rondo, and one of Knight or Dudley from the deal and add Warren. Give the Bulls the option of Miami 2021 pick or best 1st the Suns have next year. Bulls take on less salary and Suns hang onto the better fitting prospect.

[nykballa2k4]

I really think the Suns could make a huge jump next year. I think they have 7 straight years in the lottery-I would assume the owner wants to win some games.

1. Butler and Rondo to Suns for Knight, Dudley, Bender, #4 pick (Jackson or Tatum) and 2018 Miami pick

2. With cap space, and Butler on board-Suns go after Blake, Ibaka or (best chance) Milsap

Suns buy out Rondo ($3 million, and stretch it) and can decide about Len

Bledsoe/?/Ulis
Booker/Butler
Butler/Warren
Milsap/Criss
Chandler/Len

That team wins a lot of games, with 4 very good defenders and 4 very good scorers in the starting lineup. Warren/Criss/Len is a great start to a bench.


Bulls go for the rebuild and tank out 2018

I think the deal makes sense in context. I voted call it in, but there are a few caveats. I think if Fox is there, the appeal of Fox/Booker being a tandem for the next 5 years is too appealing as they would fit well. Also Rondo is a team option I believe so I don't think he can be in the deal unless his option is picked up (or has it already?).

Millsap is a good fit there, if they are looking to "punch it in" then moving Bledsoe for more of a true point guard would suit them well, someone likely above a Rondo. Dragic

[pipfan]

I figure Bledsoe is the main ball handler, but Booker and Butler have the ball too. Should be enough spacing

I just can't see that this Suns lineup not winning 50 and making the second round. It's a ton of talent, and is balanced with vets, guys in their prime and young guys.

Rondo's deal can be dealt, then cut in July-I believe