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Skybox wrote:no interest in Marcus Smart. ORL needs explosive offensive potential in their backcourt...the other two targets (Murray, Simons) are my top 2 trade targets. Either would catapult ORL into serious Eastern Conference contention for the foreseeable future. Super young team with an amazing defense, but impotent offensive backcourt beyond Suggs (who's good but not really a major offensive threat).

ORL could pay Malik Monk, but I'd rather send out some salary in a trade and then use cap space to try for Claxton or Hartenstein.

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard (happy to sub a frp in for Howard-but POR might prefer his upside, shooting, size)
POR sends: Simons

ORL then signs Nic Claxton and, barring injury hell, make a legit bid to be #2 seed in the East next year and beyond. They're really not missing much - their defense is elite already and, other than next year's DPOY - Isaac, they don't really have a rim protector. Settling for Goga is not necessary, as ORL FO has put themselves in position to do more this summer.

BlazersBroncos wrote:I have a hard time seeing PDX move Simons for 'only' that DEN 25 FRP which likely slots in the 25-30 range. If WCJ is routed to a 3rd team I could see them going for it assuming that team (I keep saying OKC) throws in a FRP.

Also could see ORL wanting to include Howard or Houstan to open up more cap space. I dont think PDX would value either much but could see ORL actually wanting to offload one or both to shore up more space and pay someone like Claxton. Simons / Suggs / Franz / Paolo / Claxton is a hell of a squad - and they still would have Cole, Black, Harris (I would resign him), Mo, JI, etc off the bench.

Thats a borderline elite SL and a whole lot of talent off the bench.

orlando_joe wrote:

BlazersBroncos wrote:I have a hard time seeing PDX move Simons for 'only' that DEN 25 FRP which likely slots in the 25-30 range. If WCJ is routed to a 3rd team I could see them going for it assuming that team (I keep saying OKC) throws in a FRP.

Also could see ORL wanting to include Howard or Houstan to open up more cap space. I dont think PDX would value either much but could see ORL actually wanting to offload one or both to shore up more space and pay someone like Claxton. Simons / Suggs / Franz / Paolo / Claxton is a hell of a squad - and they still would have Cole, Black, Harris (I would resign him), Mo, JI, etc off the bench.

Thats a borderline elite SL and a whole lot of talent off the bench.

are you really now saying magic give howard,wcj and a first for simons? wow...by the way houstan is not guaranteed next yr

pcbothwel wrote:If Im ORL, I make the sneaky big splash and trade for Garland. He is a perfect fit with them, and he & Mitchell need to part ways.
He is a legit AS caliber PG that has experience playing a bit off ball was well. He might be a buy low guy compared to the last 2 years.

pcbothwel wrote:If Im ORL, I make the sneaky big splash and trade for Garland. He is a perfect fit with them, and he & Mitchell need to part ways.
He is a legit AS caliber PG that has experience playing a bit off ball was well. He might be a buy low guy compared to the last 2 years.

pcbothwel wrote:If Im ORL, I make the sneaky big splash and trade for Garland. He is a perfect fit with them, and he & Mitchell need to part ways.
He is a legit AS caliber PG that has experience playing a bit off ball was well. He might be a buy low guy compared to the last 2 years.

BlazersBroncos wrote:I have a hard time seeing PDX move Simons for 'only' that DEN 25 FRP which likely slots in the 25-30 range. If WCJ is routed to a 3rd team I could see them going for it assuming that team (I keep saying OKC) throws in a FRP.

Also could see ORL wanting to include Howard or Houstan to open up more cap space. I dont think PDX would value either much but could see ORL actually wanting to offload one or both to shore up more space and pay someone like Claxton. Simons / Suggs / Franz / Paolo / Claxton is a hell of a squad - and they still would have Cole, Black, Harris (I would resign him), Mo, JI, etc off the bench.

Thats a borderline elite SL and a whole lot of talent off the bench.

louc1970 wrote:

pcbothwel wrote:If Im ORL, I make the sneaky big splash and trade for Garland. He is a perfect fit with them, and he & Mitchell need to part ways.
He is a legit AS caliber PG that has experience playing a bit off ball was well. He might be a buy low guy compared to the last 2 years.

What could Orlando offer to get Garland? I don't see much that Cleveland would want outside F. Wagner.

Wolveswin wrote:

louc1970 wrote:

pcbothwel wrote:If Im ORL, I make the sneaky big splash and trade for Garland. He is a perfect fit with them, and he & Mitchell need to part ways.
He is a legit AS caliber PG that has experience playing a bit off ball was well. He might be a buy low guy compared to the last 2 years.

What could Orlando offer to get Garland? I don't see much that Cleveland would want outside F. Wagner.

This. Hence my initial post.

pcbothwel wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

louc1970 wrote:What could Orlando offer to get Garland? I don't see much that Cleveland would want outside F. Wagner.

This. Hence my initial post.

Black, Anthony, pure Cap space, all their 1st (and the Den 2025 1st).
I think Black, 2024 1st (#16), and a 2025 1st (Doable with them having Den pick)... is a pretty good starting package. Add in another 2027 1st with protections, and I dont see how another team beats that offer.

Now, the Cavs may not like the structure of the package being weighted towards prospects/picks, but that can simply be alleviated by a 3rd team.

pcbothwel wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

louc1970 wrote:What could Orlando offer to get Garland? I don't see much that Cleveland would want outside F. Wagner.

This. Hence my initial post.

Black, Anthony, pure Cap space, all their 1st (and the Den 2025 1st).
I think Black, 2024 1st (#16), and a 2025 1st (Doable with them having Den pick)... is a pretty good starting package. Add in another 2027 1st with protections, and I dont see how another team beats that offer.

Now, the Cavs may not like the structure of the package being weighted towards prospects/picks, but that can simply be alleviated by a 3rd team.

PistolPeteJR wrote:

pcbothwel wrote:If Im ORL, I make the sneaky big splash and trade for Garland. He is a perfect fit with them, and he & Mitchell need to part ways.
He is a legit AS caliber PG that has experience playing a bit off ball was well. He might be a buy low guy compared to the last 2 years.

What's Orlando moving for him that Cleveland wants? I'm positive the Cavs don't want a deal centered around future picks, I can tell you that much.

Wolveswin wrote:In spirit of those thread:

Cade Cunningham???

Could Pistons look to acquire more assets and refresh the rebuild timeline?

Black + Jett + Picks needed

FOR

Cade + Filler

Wolveswin wrote:So a thread based on much ta do about nothing. “We won’t trade our 3 best assets, but what star are you giving me ?”

pcbothwel wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

louc1970 wrote:What could Orlando offer to get Garland? I don't see much that Cleveland would want outside F. Wagner.

This. Hence my initial post.

Black, Anthony, pure Cap space, all their 1st (and the Den 2025 1st).
I think Black, 2024 1st (#16), and a 2025 1st (Doable with them having Den pick)... is a pretty good starting package. Add in another 2027 1st with protections, and I dont see how another team beats that offer.

Now, the Cavs may not like the structure of the package being weighted towards prospects/picks, but that can simply be alleviated by a 3rd team.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:So a thread based on much ta do about nothing. “We won’t trade our 3 best assets, but what star are you giving me ?”

Not even close to what the OP was saying and Orlando has plenty of assets outside those players with which to get a PG. As someone who loves to post deals with 4 superstars you really shouldn't be lecturing on what's realistic, mate.