UTAH with Toronto (Marion for AK)

EventHorizon · Post #1 » by **EventHorizon** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:32 pm

Marion(S&T) + Banks for AK + 20th

Considering Kirilenko's contract and Bank's contract, is this trade fair?

AK($16,451,250) for Marion($8,000,000) + Banks($4,464,000)

Lets say, 3 years 22 million, starting at 8 and decreasing is Marion's deal. If needed a filler could be thrown in to match salaries.

Post #2 » by **loserX** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:35 pm

How much is Marion signing for here? And for how long? Jazz only do it if we save a LOT of money up front, and maybe not even then...depends on Marion's attitude. (We finally got Kirilenko's head on straight after that nightmare of a few years ago...giving him up for another reclamation project is pretty iffy.)

gloriousthree · Post #3 » by **gloriousthree** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:55 pm

From the Raptors board by a resident capologist.

timdunkit wrote:The idea is simple that whatever production Utah gets from AK47 can be replaced by Marion (for a cheaper cost even if it means taking on Banks).

AK47 makes 16.45 mill this year and 17.8 mill the year after.

The deal I proposed is : Banks 4.55 mill + Marion 8.5 mill (front loaded contract) + POB (can be waived) for AK47 + 2009 draft pick (which is suppose to be around 21st)

The first year, Utah saves about 5 mill (contract diffence + waived POB + not having to sign the pick). Depending on what Marion's second year is like (let say for argument sakes 7.5 mill) , Utah would save 5.6 mill, while keeping the team contending.

Thats a saving of 10 mill across two years!

Post #4 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:55 pm

I think it's got potential IF we see Banks as a good option as backup PG.

gloriousthree · Post #5 » by **gloriousthree** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:06 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think it's got potential IF we see Banks as a good option as backup PG.

Oops...Toronto didn't think he was a good enough option to play in front of Roko Ukic and Quicy Douby...

timdunkit · Post #6 » by **timdunkit** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:06 pm

The only thing with my proposed deal is that Utah will hvae to suck up having Banks take a roster spot for nothing but even then, you guys are still saving. If you guys resign Millsap and Okur for good prices this deal could work since it would keep you guys competitive. The only thing is what Boozer does. You guy can explore SnT opportunities this year if he opts out or just let him go if a team offers are too high. If Boozer does not opt out (since te only teams I could see making a run at him are the Pistons and Grizzlies and I am not sure if he wants to go to either of those team) then , Utah can look to trade him for what ever they need.

Post #7 » by **loserX** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:06 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think it's got potential IF we see Banks as a good option as backup PG.

I don't know why we (or anyone) would think that.

timdunkit · Post #8 » by **timdunkit** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:07 pm

gloriousthree wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:I think it's got potential IF we see Banks as a good option as backup PG.

Oops...Toronto didn't think he was a good enough option to play in front of Roko Ukic and Quicy Douby...

Having a HOF coach like Jerry Sloan does help though ... some coaches can make something out of nothing ... but even then thats getting your hopes up!

Post #9 » by **loserX** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:08 pm

timdunkit wrote:
gloriousthree wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:I think it's got potential IF we see Banks as a good option as backup PG.

Oops...Toronto didn't think he was a good enough option to play in front of Roko Ukic and Quicy Douby...

Having a HOF coach like Jerry Sloan does help though ... some coaches can make something out of nothing ... but even then thats getting your hopes up!

Nobody loves defensive PGs (or develops them) better than Pat Riley. And he had no trouble burying Banks on the bench (even trading for/signing other PGs to do it) and then tossing him off the side of the boat.

timdunkit · Post #10 » by **timdunkit** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:11 pm

loserX wrote:Nobody loves defensive PGs (or develops them) better than Pat Riley. And he had no trouble burying Banks on the bench (even trading for/signing other PGs to do it) and then tossing him off the side of the boat.

Can't argue with that :lol:

I am not sure what the market is like for AK47 though. Like I said, would Utah give Banks a roster spot to save about 10 mill over the next 2 years? Unless they can find a better deal for AK47, I don't think my proposed deal is too bad ...

totallyr · Post #11 » by **totallyr** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:06 am

The Raptors really didn't Banks much of an opportunity before the injury

timdunkit · Post #12 » by **timdunkit** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:25 am

Any more opinions from Utah fans?

Raps in 4 · Post #13 » by **Raps in 4** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:27 am

How about Kapono instead of Banks? At least he can be a little useful, and he's only about $1 mil more. (Raps fan, just throwing that out there, as I don't see anyone wanting Banks.)

timdunkit · Post #14 » by **timdunkit** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:30 am

UssjTrunks wrote:How about Kapono instead of Banks? At least he can be a little useful, and he's only about $1 mil more.

Kapono makes 1.4 mill more then Banks and they already have a shooter in Korver locked for the next few years. Also, the 1.4 mill can be reallocated to pay Marion extra ... In a deal for AK47, the raptors would need to put approximately 13 mill to get the deal done under league rules. Kapono makes 6.2 mill, so to maximize Utah savings they could only pay Marion 6.8 mill or so. With Banks who makes 4.5 mill, Utah can pay Marion up to 8.5 mill roughly speaking.

Silk Wilkes · Post #15 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:48 am

The one thing Marcus Banks does well is put heavy pressure on the ball without picking up fouls. Whenever he got playing time he hassled the hell out of the opposing point guard. He's a decent shooter when given playing time but make no mistake, he'd be a filler and coach Sloan would definitely have to coach him up.

Post #16 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:59 am

I wonder if you could move Kapono to a 3rd team for an expiring and send that to Utah?

positivetension · Post #17 » by **positivetension** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:15 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:I wonder if you could move Kapono to a 3rd team for an expiring and send that to Utah?

If we could move him for an expiring, he'd already be gone.

Post #18 » by **Hassassin** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:28 am

Didn't the Jazz already decline a Marion for AK47 swap when he was still in Phoenix because Marion didn't want to stay in Utah? Why would that change now? And those discussions happened after AK47 publicly demanded a trade...

timdunkit · Post #19 » by **timdunkit** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:36 am

HA! wrote:Didn't the Jazz already decline a Marion for AK47 swap when he was still in Phoenix because Marion didn't want to stay in Utah? Why would that change now? And those discussions happened after AK47 publicly demanded a trade...

Marion will go wherever the money is, thats why I would prefer to do the deal with Banks rather then Kapono (so Marion gets paid more, and is more likely to go to Utah).

old rem · Post #20 » by **old rem** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:31 am

timdunkit wrote:
loserX wrote:Nobody loves defensive PGs (or develops them) better than Pat Riley. And he had no trouble burying Banks on the bench (even trading for/signing other PGs to do it) and then tossing him off the side of the boat.

Can't argue with that

I am not sure what the market is like for AK47 though. Like I said, would Utah give Banks a roster spot to save about 10 mill over the next 2 years? Unless they can find a better deal for AK47, I don't think my proposed deal is too bad ...

Frankly...I'd run away from this if I'm the Raps. AK is way over-rated and way overpaid. Half the time his D is still real good...half the time he's spaced out and coasting. Were he a FA and without a good rep from 5 yr ago, he'd be signed at $4 mill as someone's backup PF