Kings/Memphis..Draft night..Rubio

[CB-Blazer]

No, They're not.

Think what you want but it's true.

11/7/1/.5 in 28 minutes compared to 11/4/3/1 in 30 minutes isn't much of a difference. Not to mention that Conely has a higher eFG% and TS%.

PG is much harder to fill than PF also, they carry roughly the same value.

[loserX]

Conley is a year away from officially being a bust while Thompson was one of the top rookies in his class.

Somebody hasn't watched Memphis games in a while. The guy was putting up 15/5 the second half of the season.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Last 5 games for JT:
18/9
12/13
17/8
21/8
8/2

Last 5 for Mike:
12/3
11/5 with 5 TO's
20/5/6
2/3/6
21/6/6

Only once in the last 5 has he gotten more than 5 assists which is the number 1 thing you want from your point guard. Thompson has 1 less year of NBA experience and rebounding as a PF is supposed to do.

Also JT has only been playing PF/C for about 4 years. Conley has been playing point his whole life.

[bcortell]

lol at just looking at the last 5 games.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

lol at just looking at the last 5 games.

I know. To be honest I was way to lazy to do anything else.

[bcortell]

Last 5 games for JT:
18/9
12/13
17/8
21/8
8/2

Last 5 for Mike:
12/3
11/5 with 5 TO's
20/5/6
2/3/6
21/6/6

Only once in the last 5 has he gotten more than 5 assists which is the number 1 thing you want from your point guard. Thompson has 1 less year of NBA experience and rebounding as a PF is supposed to do.

Also JT has only been playing PF/C for about 4 years. Conley has been playing point his whole life.

Also, JT had four years in college. Conley has had one. (Which also makes Conley a year younger.) They are very comparable prospects.

[rpa]

I don't think Conley/JT have values that are that far off. For all we know Thompson could mirror Channing Frye (completely different style): productive rookie year (12.3/5.7 in 24mpg) and then very mediocre (at best) since and Conley could mirror Billups (took a while for Billups to develop).

[CB-Blazer]

Also, who did the teams play the last 5 games?

MEM: @ ORL, @ PHX, @ LAL, PHX, ATL with wins against PHX/ATL

SAC: @ MIN, @ DEN, @ LAX, HOU, SA with one win against MIN

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Ill take the player that has shown glimpses of Lamarcus Aldridge/David West type games over the younger Beno Udrih....ok that was kind of a joke but seriously. Conley has played 2 seasons and has shown 1 GOOD HALF of a season while Thompson has played 1 very good rookie season...probably top 8 if not top 10 of his class. Let's say both of their ceilings are both 2 time allstars. An allstar big man is more valuable than an allstar pg.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Also, who did the teams play the last 5 games?

MEM: @ ORL, @ PHX, @ LAL, PHX, ATL with wins against PHX/ATL

SAC: @ MIN, @ DEN, @ LAX, HOU, SA with one win against MIN

Not really sure where you going with this argument.

Min < Orl
Den > Phx
LAC < LAL
Hou > Phx
SA > Atl

Mem got 1 more win but against 2 better teams than Minn. So because JT''s team lost his stats have less meaning?

[CB-Blazer]

Ill take the player that has shown glimpses of Lamarcus Aldridge/David West type games over the younger Beno Udrih....ok that was kind of a joke but seriously. Conley has played 2 seasons and has shown 1 GOOD HALF of a season while Thompson has played 1 very good rookie season...probably top 8 if not top 10 of his class. Let's say both of their ceilings are both 2 time allstars. An allstar big man is more valuable than an allstar pg.

Not really, so your telling me that KG/Dirk/Gasol/Bosh are worth more than Kobe, Wade or Paul? Get out.

Also, PG is argueably the hardest position to fill while PF is the 2nd easiest behind SF.

If you have a PF and PG that are equal talents, you take the PG.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

I don't think Conley/JT have values that are that far off. For all we know Thompson could mirror Channing Frye (completely different style): productive rookie year (12.3/5.7 in 24mpg) and then very mediocre (at best) since and Conley could mirror Billups (took a while for Billups to develop).

Thompson and Frye's game are very different. Frye is soft, JT is not. Plus as i have said before he has a comparable season to Bosh's rookie season, and a better rookie season than LMA and better rookie AND sophomore season than David West. Say what you want about age but when its a matter of a couple of years, NBA experience holds way more value than another year of college.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Ill take the player that has shown glimpses of Lamarcus Aldridge/David West type games over the younger Beno Udrih....ok that was kind of a joke but seriously. Conley has played 2 seasons and has shown 1 GOOD HALF of a season while Thompson has played 1 very good rookie season...probably top 8 if not top 10 of his class. Let's say both of their ceilings are both 2 time allstars. An allstar big man is more valuable than an allstar pg.

Not really, so your telling me that KG/Dirk/Gasol/Bosh are worth more than Kobe, Wade or Paul? Get out.

Also, PG is argueably the hardest position to fill while PF is the 2nd easiest behind SF.

If you have a PF and PG that are equal talents, you take the PG.

Ok that's a completely fallacious comparison. Kobe is in my opinion one of the best players of all time first of all. But you're comparing 3 SUPERSTARS to 4 ALLSTARS. I would take prime Duncan, Shaq, Howard over any of those players except MAYBE Kobe.

[loserX]

I don't think Conley/JT have values that are that far off. For all we know Thompson could mirror Channing Frye (completely different style): productive rookie year (12.3/5.7 in 24mpg) and then very mediocre (at best) since and Conley could mirror Billups (took a while for Billups to develop).

Thompson and Frye's game are very different. Frye is soft, JT is not. Plus as i have said before he has a comparable season to Bosh's rookie season, and a better rookie season than LMA and better rookie AND sophomore season than David West. Say what you want about age but when its a matter of a couple of years, NBA experience holds way more value than another year of college.

Conley had a rookie season comparable to Billups' and Nash's. Comparing rookie seasons of different players is pretty useless in the final analysis.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Fair enough, but ATM you go by what has been shown. Thompson has shown allstar potential in his rookie season. Conley has shown improvement in the second half of his second season. COULD he eventually become an allstar? yes, but you go one what has been shown.

[CB-Blazer]

Also, who did the teams play the last 5 games?

MEM: @ ORL, @ PHX, @ LAL, PHX, ATL with wins against PHX/ATL

SAC: @ MIN, @ DEN, @ LAX, HOU, SA with one win against MIN

Not really sure where you going with this argument.

Min < Orl
Den > Phx
LAC < LAL
Hou > Phx
SA > Atl

Mem got 1 more win but against 2 better teams than Minn. So because JT''s team lost his stats have less meaning?

The difference is 263 wins compared to 202 wins

[rpa]

Thompson and Frye's game are very different. Frye is soft, JT is not.

That's why I said that their styles are different. The point was that some players have good rookie years then fall off the face of the planet (like Frye) whereas some take a while to comes around and be good players.

Conley has shown FLASHES plus he plays a much more valuable position than JT. Saying that their values are close isn't as ridiculous as some Kings fans seem to believe.

[CB-Blazer]

Ill take the player that has shown glimpses of Lamarcus Aldridge/David West type games over the younger Beno Udrih....ok that was kind of a joke but seriously. Conley has played 2 seasons and has shown 1 GOOD HALF of a season while Thompson has played 1 very good rookie season...probably top 8 if not top 10 of his class. Let's say both of their ceilings are both 2 time allstars. An allstar big man is more valuable than an allstar pg.

Not really, so your telling me that KG/Dirk/Gasol/Bosh are worth more than Kobe, Wade or Paul? Get out.

Also, PG is argueably the hardest position to fill while PF is the 2nd easiest behind SF.

If you have a PF and PG that are equal talents, you take the PG.

Ok that's a completely fallacious comparison. Kobe is in my opinion one of the best players of all time first of all. But you're comparing 3 SUPERSTARS to 4 ALLSTARS. I would take prime Duncan, Shaq, Howard over any of those players except MAYBE Kobe.

Your comparison is just as crazy as mine is. Shaq/Howard/Duncan were all great NBA Centers, not PF's.

Even if you go with 2nd tier Guards (Roy, Deron, Parker) would most likely all be picked prior to a Gasol/Bosh/Dirk.

The premise is simple, PG's are much more valuable than PF's.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

This is a fair comparison of allstar PG's and allstar PF's with no superstars listed:

PG's: Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker

Big Men: Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh, Amare, Yao, Pau, West

Nelson < Garnett, Bosh, Amare, Yao, Pau, West
Harris < KG, Bosh, Amare, Yao, Pau
Williams < ALL
Billups < KG, Bosh, Amare, Yao
Parker < Garnett, Yao

[bcortell]

Also, who did the teams play the last 5 games?

MEM: @ ORL, @ PHX, @ LAL, PHX, ATL with wins against PHX/ATL

SAC: @ MIN, @ DEN, @ LAX, HOU, SA with one win against MIN

Not really sure where you going with this argument.

Min < Orl
Den > Phx
LAC < LAL
Hou > Phx
SA > Atl

Mem got 1 more win but against 2 better teams than Minn. So because JT''s team lost his stats have less meaning?

The difference is 263 wins compared to 202 wins

Exactly. He had an awful argument there.

LAL>Den
Orl>SA/Hou
Phx<SA/Hou
Phx>Min
Atl>LAC