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Three-way Miami-Milwaukee-Philadelphia
Miami Trades:
Jermaine O'Neal
2011 1st Round Pick
Milwaukee Trades:
Richard Jefferson
Dan Gadzuric
Philadelphia Trades:
Elton Brand
Reggie Evans or Willie Green
Miami Receives:
Richard Jefferson
Milwaukee Receives:
Elton Brand
Philadelphia Receives:
Jermaine O'Neal
Miami 2011 Draft Pick
Why for Miami: They get a legit two-way SF with finals experience in RJ, and Wade/Jefferson/Beasley is a nice trio(and with Beasley and Mark Blount's expiring contract, the Heat would still have a shot at Amare/Bosh).
I will say, this trade only makes sense for Miami if A)They don't really want Amare or Bosh or B)They think they can trade for Amare or Bosh with Beasley/Blount's expiring/picks/etc.
Why for Philadelphia:
The Brand signing hasn't worked out well at all for them. He was injured for most of the season, but before the injury he wasn't fitting in with the Sixers' system anyway. They want to run, and Elton isn't good for that style. With this trade, they get Jermaine O'Neal, who put up nearly identical stats to Elton in 2008-09 and who expires in 2010. A do-over for the Brand signing as well as a one-year rental of O'Neal. One of Evans or Green has to be included to make salaries match. They also get the Heat's first round pick in 2011.
Why for Milwaukee:
They're stuck right now - just barely too good to get a high lotto pick, not close to actually being good. Given his recent injuries, Brand is a risk, but it's not likely Jefferson stays in Milwaukee past 2010/11(depending on if he opts out) anyway. Brand would fit in better in Milwaukee's system than he did in Philadelphia's, and Bogut/Brand/Alexander/Redd/Sessions with Ridnour, Bell, Villanueva, and their pick this year off the bench, could squeak into the eight seed if Brand can stay healthy and get back to his standard 20/10.
Jermaine O'Neal
2011 1st Round Pick
Milwaukee Trades:
Richard Jefferson
Dan Gadzuric
Philadelphia Trades:
Elton Brand
Reggie Evans or Willie Green
Miami Receives:
Richard Jefferson
Milwaukee Receives:
Elton Brand
Philadelphia Receives:
Jermaine O'Neal
Miami 2011 Draft Pick
Why for Miami: They get a legit two-way SF with finals experience in RJ, and Wade/Jefferson/Beasley is a nice trio(and with Beasley and Mark Blount's expiring contract, the Heat would still have a shot at Amare/Bosh).
I will say, this trade only makes sense for Miami if A)They don't really want Amare or Bosh or B)They think they can trade for Amare or Bosh with Beasley/Blount's expiring/picks/etc.
Why for Philadelphia:
The Brand signing hasn't worked out well at all for them. He was injured for most of the season, but before the injury he wasn't fitting in with the Sixers' system anyway. They want to run, and Elton isn't good for that style. With this trade, they get Jermaine O'Neal, who put up nearly identical stats to Elton in 2008-09 and who expires in 2010. A do-over for the Brand signing as well as a one-year rental of O'Neal. One of Evans or Green has to be included to make salaries match. They also get the Heat's first round pick in 2011.
Why for Milwaukee:
They're stuck right now - just barely too good to get a high lotto pick, not close to actually being good. Given his recent injuries, Brand is a risk, but it's not likely Jefferson stays in Milwaukee past 2010/11(depending on if he opts out) anyway. Brand would fit in better in Milwaukee's system than he did in Philadelphia's, and Bogut/Brand/Alexander/Redd/Sessions with Ridnour, Bell, Villanueva, and their pick this year off the bench, could squeak into the eight seed if Brand can stay healthy and get back to his standard 20/10.
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Bucks decline. This just delays our rebuild by at least a year and probably two since Brand is almost guaranteed to pick up his option.
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I'd do this for PHI to get into the 2010 sweepstakes, but I doubt they're willing to let go of Brand.
The Sixers would have to commit to a full rebuild which probably isn't necessary at this point. They have a few young players that they can develop/trade to place around Brand/Iguodala.
The Sixers would have to commit to a full rebuild which probably isn't necessary at this point. They have a few young players that they can develop/trade to place around Brand/Iguodala.
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Miami declines, and it's not even close for us.
Let's Go Heat!
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Buzzer Beater wrote:Miami declines, and it's not even close for us.
Why would Miami, of all these three teams, decline? You trade what is essentially an expiring and a pick that probably wouldn't be all that valuable in 2011 since a team with Wade/Jefferson/improved Beasley/improved Chalmers isn't likely to suck, you get back a nice two-way SF to put next to Wade and Beasley, and you still maintain the pieces to trade for Amare or Bosh in the future...what's the downside for Miami? I can understand why Philly and Milwaukee might not be jumping up and down, but Miami is the big winner in this trade.
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OldSchoolNoBull wrote:Buzzer Beater wrote:Miami declines, and it's not even close for us.
Why would Miami, of all these three teams, decline? You trade what is essentially an expiring and a pick that probably wouldn't be all that valuable in 2011 since a team with Wade/Jefferson/improved Beasley/improved Chalmers isn't likely to suck, you get back a nice two-way SF to put next to Wade and Beasley, and you still maintain the pieces to trade for Amare or Bosh in the future...what's the downside for Miami? I can understand why Philly and Milwaukee might not be jumping up and down, but Miami is the big winner in this trade.
Giving up of flexibility. If we want to use that space in 2010, guess what? We can't. We have to pay $15 million to RJ! This isn't a first strike move, it's a third strike move.
On top of that, now we've got no center.
RJ is overpaid. O'Neal is expiring. We're not giving up a first rounder for the privilege of getting shorter while compromising our cap space...
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OldSchoolNoBull wrote:Buzzer Beater wrote:Miami declines, and it's not even close for us.
Why would Miami, of all these three teams, decline? You trade what is essentially an expiring and a pick that probably wouldn't be all that valuable in 2011 since a team with Wade/Jefferson/improved Beasley/improved Chalmers isn't likely to suck, you get back a nice two-way SF to put next to Wade and Beasley, and you still maintain the pieces to trade for Amare or Bosh in the future...what's the downside for Miami? I can understand why Philly and Milwaukee might not be jumping up and down, but Miami is the big winner in this trade.
We lose a lot of our salary flexibility, would have a big weakness at center (we saw how that worked out at the beginning of this season), and have to give up a first round pick all for a good, but certainly not great, SF?
Let's Go Heat!
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But, like I pointed out twice, you would still have the pieces left to trade for Amare or Bosh(Beasley, Blount's expiring, Wright or Cook, picks(you could even take the 2011 first round pick out of the Jefferson trade and use it in an Amare/Bosh package instead)). If a trade like that happens, 2010 cap space becomes less important.
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That isn't the point though. They have the pieces to get Amare or Bosh now, and the Heat look much better with JON at C and Bosh/Amare at PF then with Jefferson at SF and Bosh/Amare at PF with Joel Anthony starting C.
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Swing a deal for a Chandler-type C, then get the Bosh/Amar'e trade done, and if this is still do-able then it's more likely for MIA.
I personally do a deal straight with MIL, UD/JJ/future 1st for RJ/09 1st
MIL gets 2 useful players for 1: a SF who can either start or back-up LRMAM (who can be bought out for $1.5m in 2010), and a PF who would fit great next to Bogut & make resigning CV not a priority - all while clearing enough space to resign Sessions under the lux tax.
MIA gets the same benefit, while freeing up JO's contract to use in a Chandler/Peja or Posey swap & they still have a package of Beasley/Blount/Cook to go after Bosh!
I personally do a deal straight with MIL, UD/JJ/future 1st for RJ/09 1st
MIL gets 2 useful players for 1: a SF who can either start or back-up LRMAM (who can be bought out for $1.5m in 2010), and a PF who would fit great next to Bogut & make resigning CV not a priority - all while clearing enough space to resign Sessions under the lux tax.
MIA gets the same benefit, while freeing up JO's contract to use in a Chandler/Peja or Posey swap & they still have a package of Beasley/Blount/Cook to go after Bosh!
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Miami will not compromise their cap space in 2010 for an over paid Jefferson, much more if they're giving away a pick.
Even if Miami has the piece or pieces to trade for someone like Amare or Bosh, its not worth to give up a pick and pay that much money for Jefferson.
An easy pass for the Heat.
Even if Miami has the piece or pieces to trade for someone like Amare or Bosh, its not worth to give up a pick and pay that much money for Jefferson.
An easy pass for the Heat.
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Philly and Milwaukee should consider, if only because Gadzuric and Evans get traded to outer space.
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dilbert719 wrote:Philly and Milwaukee should consider, if only because Gadzuric and Evans get traded to outer space.
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