Dallas - Sacramento

Smills91 · Post #1 » by **Smills91** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:44 pm

Probably happens sometime around the new year....

Kings deal:
Kevin Martin
Beno Udrih

Mavericks deal:
Erick Dampier
Quinton Ross
Rodrigue Beaubois
Rights to Nick Calathes
Future 1st round pick.

Dallas gets the last piece to their puzzle

Kings continue rebuilding.

Website · Post #2 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:56 pm

No way.

Martin is better than this.

Smills91 · Post #3 » by **Smills91** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:57 pm

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:No way.

Martin is better than this.

Yeah, I agree, but I want to see Dallas fans try and reject it though, it makes me laugh.

Post #4 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 12:13 am

no way dallas does this without hawes and jt coming back

Post #5 » by **VintaGe36** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 12:25 am

Kidd/Udrih
Martin/Terry
Marion/Howard
Dirk/Humphries
Gooden/?

That is why Dallas declines this ridiculously horribly fitting trade.

Post #6 » by **catalyst** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 4:16 am

VintaGe36 wrote:Kidd/Udrih
Martin/Terry
Marion/Howard
Dirk/Humphries
Gooden/?

That is why Dallas declines this ridiculously horribly fitting trade.

Second bold is mine. Gooden, not a real center, is left with Humphries and Dirk at C. Not god fits. Ill fitting parts is dal without Damp and this trade. Now, if you followed this trade with Howard for Kaman or some form of Camby trade, then it would have some merit.

OGSactownballer · Post #7 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 4:56 am

Yeah, I can see that.

However, that would be YOUR problem to come up with. I have to agree with Smills here. Any Dallas fan that blows this off is a complete basketball idiot. You then have all KINDS of trade bait to pick up a 6-foul big man to deal with the bigs in the playoffs. This is a no-brainer and I would NEVER do it as a Kings fan. The cap room is overrated for us. nothing more than savings as we won't be able to outright sign a superstar or two anyway.

No thanks.

thaAteam · Post #8 » by **thaAteam** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:44 am

OGSactownballer wrote:Yeah, I can see that.

However, that would be YOUR problem to come up with. I have to agree with Smills here. Any Dallas fan that blows this off is a complete basketball idiot. You then have all KINDS of trade bait to pick up a 6-foul big man to deal with the bigs in the playoffs. This is a no-brainer and I would NEVER do it as a Kings fan. The cap room is overrated for us. nothing more than savings as we won't be able to outright sign a superstar or two anyway.

No thanks.

i love kevin martin, but at this time this deal is a no go for us, for 1, he is out two months, he is always injured anyway, and we would have no center, our weakest position. just doesnt make sense. im not going to move our only starting center out if another isnt coming in, and screw hawes, we dont need him on our team, hell we could bring back raef lafrenz, same player. and we want no part of beno and his awful deal

SacKingZZZ · Post #9 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 8:51 am

Downright laughable from the Kings end.

Teddy KGB · Post #10 » by **Teddy KGB** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 1:17 pm

Sweet, let's just trade all our big men away for small men. Because we all know how successful Nellieball is...

Smills91 · Post #11 » by **Smills91** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 2:17 pm

Teddy KGB wrote:Sweet, let's just trade all our big men away for small men. Because we all know how successful Nellieball is...

ORRRR...take the this coup, and look to deal one of Howard/Marion for a big man that's BETTER than Dampier. Pretty simple if you ask me.

2011Champs · Post #12 » by **2011Champs** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 2:32 pm

Smills91 wrote:Probably happens sometime around the new year....

Kings deal:
Kevin Martin
Beno Udrih

Mavericks deal:
Erick Dampier
Quinton Ross
Rodrigue Beaubois
Rights to Nick Calathes
Future 1st round pick.

Dallas gets the last piece to their puzzle

Kings continue rebuilding.

No offense to Kevin Martin but Damp is more important to the Mavs success than a high scoring SG. This trade leaves the Mavs with a huge hole in the middle. I do not see the Mavs able to get a center better than Damp by trading Howard or The Matrix. So this specific trade actually makes the Mavericks worse and further from a championship. Without a solid replacement for Damp, this trade would have to be a huge NO.

thaAteam · Post #13 » by **thaAteam** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:07 pm

Smills91 wrote:
Teddy KGB wrote:Sweet, let's just trade all our big men away for small men. Because we all know how successful Nellieball is...

ORRRR...take the this coup, and look to deal one of Howard/Marion for a big man that's BETTER than Dampier. Pretty simple if you ask me.

kevin martin is out 2 months, he is always hurt, he brings the exact same thing as jet, he is just a few inches taller, no need to move a big man for martin.

DanTown8587 · Post #14 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:12 pm

Not a fan of this deal for either team. Why does Sacramento trade their best player?

As for Dallas, this a T O N of money to pay the backcourt and they have no real depth up front. Sure you can say "trade Howard/Marion for a big man" but that kills their value around the league (teams know they have to trade for a C) and then it expands the deal to become a likely worse deal for the Mavericks.

Both GM's, but especially Sacramento's, would have to answer some serious and basically well thought out questions from the media and fans.

Captain_Obvious · Post #15 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:21 pm

^^ If the JET was "a few inches taller" there would be no need for Kevin Martin, I agree.

I really love this deal but as other Mav fans have expressed it makes no sense to sacrifice this season by dealing your only legit center for an injured difference maker. It's the wrong time of the year.

I'm sure we will meet again next offseason once Dallas begins to offer up Dampier's contract in trade talks. Sacramento wont get full value for Martin, so much is clear.

Btw. we will then offer two picks and Calathes instead of one pick, Calathes and Roddy.

thaAteam · Post #16 » by **thaAteam** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:28 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:^^ If the JET was "a few inches taller" there would be no need for Kevin Martin, I agree.

I really love this deal but as other Mav fans have expressed it makes no sense to sacrifice this season by dealing your only legit center for an injured difference maker. It's the wrong time of the year.

I'm sure we will meet again next offseason once Dallas begins to offer up Dampier's contract in trade talks. Sacramento wont get full value for Martin, so much is clear.

Btw. we will then offer two picks and Calathes instead of one pick, Calathes and Roddy.

i wouldnt give any picks or young talent for martin, josh howard, or pure expirings is about all, all martin has shown in this lead is that he is injury prone, and puts up good scoring numbers on a bad team and not much else. he cant defend, so he isnt going to be a major upgrade over terry anyway. having 25 million tied into 2 sg's is not a good idea if they both do the exact same things. hich terry and martin do. martin would be a great fit somewhere like say cleveland, or phoenix but not here as long as we have terry.

Teddy KGB · Post #17 » by **Teddy KGB** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:29 pm

If this deal was some sort of 3 way with either KMart going to another team and a big coming to Dallas or with Howard leaving and a C coming to Dallas this would definitely be a steal for us. But it's a ridiculously bad fit for us as of now with no imminent deal to bring in a C.

Smills91 · Post #18 » by **Smills91** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 8:52 pm

thaAteam wrote:
Smills91 wrote:
Teddy KGB wrote:Sweet, let's just trade all our big men away for small men. Because we all know how successful Nellieball is...

ORRRR...take the this coup, and look to deal one of Howard/Marion for a big man that's BETTER than Dampier. Pretty simple if you ask me.

kevin martin is out 2 months, he is always hurt, he brings the exact same thing as jet, he is just a few inches taller, no need to move a big man for martin.

Trying reading, it helps. Go back to the top of the OP and re-read it. Please. Just so you don't appear silly.

Smills91 · Post #19 » by **Smills91** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 8:53 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:^^ If the JET was "a few inches taller" there would be no need for Kevin Martin, I agree.

I really love this deal but as other Mav fans have expressed it makes no sense to sacrifice this season by dealing your only legit center for an injured difference maker. It's the wrong time of the year.

I'm sure we will meet again next offseason once Dallas begins to offer up Dampier's contract in trade talks. Sacramento wont get full value for Martin, so much is clear.

Btw. we will then offer two picks and Calathes instead of one pick, Calathes and Roddy.

LMAO. Yeah right.

Captain_Obvious · Post #20 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Sat Nov 7, 2009 9:34 pm

Smills91 wrote:
Captain_Obvious wrote:^^ If the JET was "a few inches taller" there would be no need for Kevin Martin, I agree.

I really love this deal but as other Mav fans have expressed it makes no sense to sacrifice this season by dealing your only legit center for an injured difference maker. It's the wrong time of the year.

I'm sure we will meet again next offseason once Dallas begins to offer up Dampier's contract in trade talks. Sacramento wont get full value for Martin, so much is clear.

Btw. we will then offer two picks and Calathes instead of one pick, Calathes and Roddy.

LMAO. Yeah right.

Two factors play into my last comment:
- Roddy will be much improved (i hope) and i just dont see us trading the successor of Kidd
- Dampier will carry more value next offseason and Dallas will have more suitors willing to trade talent for cap relief (i.e. no need to overpay here). So if you are willing to trade for Damp NOW then you trade [essentially] for an expiring deal (because you are under the cap anyway), but thats not what Damp will be next offseason.