Cleveland/New Orleans Blockbuster Swap...

[pja123]

Cavs get:
David West
Morris Peterson
Darius Songalia
Hilton Armstrong

Hornets get:
J.J. Hickson
Zrydunas Ilgauskas
Delonte West
Leon Powe

WHY IT COULD WORK FOR THE CAVS:
This solves the Cavs problem at PF by adding West/Songalia to the line-up. Both are PFs with range, so they'd be great compliemnts to Shaq in the frontcourt. Armstrong would replace Ilgauskas as the primary backup (he's not as talented as Ilgauskas, can is servicable) and MoPete provides more perimeter scoring off the bench. It would be very difficult to trade Z, but I'm sure the Cavs could lure him back in the off-season or try to work out an arrangement with the Hornets to waive him and then wait a month to re-sign him.
CAVS LINE-UP:
PG-Williams/Gibson
SG-Parker/MoPete
SF-James/Moon
PF-West/Songalia/Jackson
C-O'Neal/Armstrong

WHY IT COULD WORK FOR THE HORNETS:
This is a cost-cutting move for the Hornets, plain and simple. Ilgauskas' expiring contract takes 14 mill off the books and West's contract has a small buyout option (I think 300K) so that's another 4 mill that can be taken off the cap. Plus, they get a young PF in Hickson to try and fill the shoes of West. Powe, when healthy, can supplant Songalia off the bench.
HORNETS LINE-UP:
PG-Paul/Collison/Brown
SG-West/Brown
SF-Stojackavic/Posey
PF-Hickson/Wright/Powe
C-Okafor/Ilgauskas/Marks

[bcortell]

Way too much for the Cavs to give up.

[InBoobieWeTrust]

No from Cleveland.

I'd be receptive to Z+Hickson for West+Posey(or Peterson or Songalia...whoever), with an Ilgauskus buy-out arrangement in place.

Adding in Powe and Delonte makes it a "no".

[basketballwacko2]

No from Cleveland.

I'd be receptive to Z+Hickson for West+Posey(or Peterson or Songalia...whoever), with an Ilgauskus buy-out arrangement in place.

Adding in Powe and Delonte makes it a "no".

How about take out Powe and put in Jawad Williams his contract is not gauranteed, the Hornets could cut him and save his salary. Give the Hornets $3 million in cash to buy out Z. and they might go for it.

[InBoobieWeTrust]

No from Cleveland.

I'd be receptive to Z+Hickson for West+Posey(or Peterson or Songalia...whoever), with an Ilgauskus buy-out arrangement in place.

Adding in Powe and Delonte makes it a "no".

How about take out Powe and put in Jawad Williams his contract is not gauranteed, the Hornets could cut him and save his salary. Give the Hornets $3 million in cash to buy out Z. and they might go for it.

Still not trading Delonte.

[basketballwacko2]

Story on the wire tap say that Boobie Gibson is looking like the odd man out what if you switch Boobie for Delonte?

[InBoobieWeTrust]

NOH wouldn't want Gibson, he has multiple years on his contract left.

Too many players in this deal...I think the best way to find a good deal is to simply keep it simple.

[basketballwacko2]

If the Hornets are gonna trade West the only reason to do it is to save money so if you can find a deal that saves them about $3.4 million and get them under the Tax Threashold then a deal could be done. West has a good contract declining each year with an ETO in yr 3. I'd expect them to want to move Mo Pete who isn't playing and I can't find info on why not, or Songaila if they are trading West.

So West and Mo Pete for Z Jackson and Willaims Plus a #1 pick and cash, would seem like a good deal. Hornets release Jackson and Williams and save about $1.5 million and buy out Z, he goes back to the Cavs, Honents save a good $5 million not counting the buy out if Z would agree to less, to get back to the Cavs.

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Yeah, something like that is definitely viable.

[heathmalc]

If the Hornets are gonna trade West the only reason to do it is to save money so if you can find a deal that saves them about $3.4 million and get them under the Tax Threashold then a deal could be done. West has a good contract declining each year with an ETO in yr 3. I'd expect them to want to move Mo Pete who isn't playing and I can't find info on why not, or Songaila if they are trading West.

So West and Mo Pete for Z Jackson and Willaims Plus a #1 pick and cash, would seem like a good deal. Hornets release Jackson and Williams and save about $1.5 million and buy out Z, he goes back to the Cavs, Honents save a good $5 million not counting the buy out if Z would agree to less, to get back to the Cavs.

You'd have to take out the #1 pick. Perhaps a 2nd rounder in 2011 would be doable....but Ferry wont give up the 1st.

[Padawan]

If the Hornets are gonna trade West the only reason to do it is to save money so if you can find a deal that saves them about $3.4 million and get them under the Tax Threashold then a deal could be done. West has a good contract declining each year with an ETO in yr 3. I'd expect them to want to move Mo Pete who isn't playing and I can't find info on why not, or Songaila if they are trading West.

So West and Mo Pete for Z Jackson and Willaims Plus a #1 pick and cash, would seem like a good deal. Hornets release Jackson and Williams and save about $1.5 million and buy out Z, he goes back to the Cavs, Honents save a good $5 million not counting the buy out if Z would agree to less, to get back to the Cavs.

You'd have to take out the #1 pick. Perhaps a 2nd rounder in 2011 would be doable....but Ferry wont give up the 1st.

I think he should... it gives the Cavs more flexibility for next year. I think they might even chose an international player in order to save money in 2010. West and Mo for Z, Jackson and Williams + a first + some cash maybe would work for both ends i believe. You can even take Williams out of the deal and sava the Hornets some more money if needed.

[TheOUTLAW]

I definitely don't think a 2010 first rounder is a deal breaker for the Cavs.

[shrink]

Why do you guys put so much value into the 28-30th pick in the nba? Pretty unlikely you're going to get a significant player. Here's the last 10 years of the #29 pick:

2000 1.29 Lakers Mark Madsen 6'9 236 Stanford 1976-01-28
2001 2.1 Bulls Trenton Hassell 6'5 200 Austin Peay 1979-03-04
2002 2.1 Warriors Steve Logan 5'11 199 Cincinatti 3-20-1980
2003 1.29 Mavericks Josh Howard 6'6 203 Wake Forest 1980-04-28
2004 1.29 Pacers David Harrison 7'0 255 Colorado 8-15-1982
2005 1.29 Heat Wayne Simien 6'9 255 Kansas 3-9-1983
2006 1.29 Knicks Mardy Collins 6'6 225 Temple 1984-08-04 From San Antonio as part of the Nazr Mohammed / Rose trade kicker trade.
2007 1.29 Suns Alando Tucker 6'5 205 Wisconsin 1984-02-13
2008 1.29 Pistons Supersonics D.J. White 6'9 230 Indiana 1986-09-01 Pick acquired for Walter Sharpe and Trent Plaisted
2009 1.29 Knicks Toney Douglas 6'1 196 Florida State 1986-03-16

In addition, its unlikely he'd be ready to provide significant help to a team that wants a ring any time soon, and takes a roster spot from a vet that could.


That said, it doesn't seem necessary to me. If CLE is willing to help NOH out of its financial quagmire, I don't think the Hornets can be too demanding.

[Nolan]

Way too much for the Cavs to be giving up considering they're taking back Peterson and Songalia.

[Scoot McGroot]

If the Hornets are gonna trade West the only reason to do it is to save money so if you can find a deal that saves them about $3.4 million and get them under the Tax Threashold then a deal could be done. West has a good contract declining each year with an ETO in yr 3. I'd expect them to want to move Mo Pete who isn't playing and I can't find info on why not, or Songaila if they are trading West.

So West and Mo Pete for Z Jackson and Willaims Plus a #1 pick and cash, would seem like a good deal. Hornets release Jackson and Williams and save about $1.5 million and buy out Z, he goes back to the Cavs, Honents save a good $5 million not counting the buy out if Z would agree to less, to get back to the Cavs.

You'd have to take out the #1 pick. Perhaps a 2nd rounder in 2011 would be doable....but Ferry wont give up the 1st.

Then New Orleans would have to take out David West.


Seriously, you're not going to get David West just for eating Morris Peterson's contract. You have to give up SOMETHING.

[jalenrose#5]

Not a bad deal, but still needs some tweaking.

You're missing Anderson Varejao btw in your depth chart for the Cavs, it makes the deal a little bit more bearable from a Cavs point of view

[DowJones]

West and 2 more bad contracts for Z, Hickson, a 2010 1st, and Wally sign and trade as filler.

-West
-Posey
-Songalia

For

-Z
-Hickson
-Wally sign and trade
-2010 1st

[JR_SMITH_23]

As a Hornet fan, I'd do it

Paul/Collison/BBrown
DBrown/Thornton/Peterson
Peja/Wright/Wally(bought out)
Hickson/Marks(when he returns)
Okafor/Z(bought out)/Armstrong

Follow-up deal

Cavs 2010 1st + DBrown or BBrown + Julian Wright + Armstrong in a package for RAW CAP = MARVELOUS!!!!!!

[RobertGlory]

Why do you guys put so much value into the 28-30th pick in the nba? Pretty unlikely you're going to get a significant player. Here's the last 10 years of the #29 pick:

2000 1.29 Lakers Mark Madsen 6'9 236 Stanford 1976-01-28
2001 2.1 Bulls Trenton Hassell 6'5 200 Austin Peay 1979-03-04
2002 2.1 Warriors Steve Logan 5'11 199 Cincinatti 3-20-1980
2003 1.29 Mavericks Josh Howard 6'6 203 Wake Forest 1980-04-28
2004 1.29 Pacers David Harrison 7'0 255 Colorado 8-15-1982
2005 1.29 Heat Wayne Simien 6'9 255 Kansas 3-9-1983
2006 1.29 Knicks Mardy Collins 6'6 225 Temple 1984-08-04 From San Antonio as part of the Nazr Mohammed / Rose trade kicker trade.
2007 1.29 Suns Alando Tucker 6'5 205 Wisconsin 1984-02-13
2008 1.29 Pistons Supersonics D.J. White 6'9 230 Indiana 1986-09-01 Pick acquired for Walter Sharpe and Trent Plaisted
2009 1.29 Knicks Toney Douglas 6'1 196 Florida State 1986-03-16

In addition, its unlikely he'd be ready to provide significant help to a team that wants a ring any time soon, and takes a roster spot from a vet that could.


That said, it doesn't seem necessary to me. If CLE is willing to help NOH out of its financial quagmire, I don't think the Hornets can be too demanding.

we'd like to have the #27 pick back that we used the money to sign posey lol...

the fewer players in any deal, the more likely it will be good for the hornets

[rjgraca]

IMO, this proposed deal over values the value of NOH's West to carry two really bad contracts. NOH's West is off even his career numbers and might be leaving his prime soon at the age of 29.