MIN/CHI

[Friend_Of_Haley]

There's like 3 players that Rose would be available for.

[Rashoismydad]

ROFL! Take a class in logic.

I guess you might have missed a couple other variables changing this year. New coach. New triangle. New rookie PG. No Foye. No Mike Miller. Ten new players.

But no - in your boundless logic, you've concluded its just Al. If you've watched Al closely enough, you can also determine he's responsible for the NBA's small drop in attendance, and the increase in earthquakes in Haiti.


Anyway, my post was tongue-in-cheek. Clearly the Deng-for Al trade will make more sense to people outside of Chicago if Bulls fans post it another 40 more times here.

I know your post was tongue in cheek. Mine was somewhat. You just love poking Bulls fans on this board. I can take that from the Lakers and Cavs and Celtics fans. Coming from a 9-38 team, not so much, so I poke back.

At the end of the day, even really bad teams are going to score 80 a game and someone has to get those points. There is an old addage about high stats guys on bad teams, which Jefferson has been his whole life. The dude is overrated and he isn't on Derrick Rose's planet as far as being able to impact an NBA game.

At some point, after Minnesota has dumped him, got a real center, added quality wings, etc. and looks like a real team, you guys will look back and agree.

Dont waste your breath on these people. I dont know if they are just attached to Jefferson because he was the main piece of the KG deal or what. Maybe they are blown away by 23/11 on a bottom 5 team but fail to realize the context. I know they commonly try to deny or minimize his effort, passing, and defensive liabilities. I just hope you dont allow the rest of these fans to form your opinions of wolves fans. Theres plenty realistic, intelligent, and dedicated fans wanting Jefferson to be moved so our rebuild can start to blossom next season.

[Devilzsidewalk]

There's like 3 players that Rose would be available for.

Jefferson, Love and Rubio right

[Rashoismydad]

To be fair, Rashoismydad would trade Jefferson for not-so-fresh road kill and a half-tin of chewing tobacco.

Like expirings and lotto picks in a draft full of bigs....oh no!

Sorry you have an erection for a one dimensional, lazy, black hole of a player who makes 12M+ and plays the same position as a BETTER player in Love. I just cant wait to rip into you clowns when Jefferson is actually moved and all your ridiculous worries about losing such an amazing player never come to fruition.

[WAYSA]

MIN Trades: Al Jefferson, Jonny Flynn, Nathan Jawai
CHI Trades: Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Jerome James

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5414810

Why for Chicago: They acquire the low-post go-to scorer they've been sorely lacking. Flynn provides a very solid replacement for Rose.

Flynn / Hinrich / Deng / Gibson / Jefferson

Why for Minnesota: They acquire Noah, college teammate of Brewer and likely a better fit alongside Love. Oh, and Rose too...

Rose / Brewer / Wilkins / Love / Noah

(Note 1: Jawai and James were only added to make salaries match. Both are expirings.)
(Note 2: I realize Minnesota may need to add more, probably either the CHA or UTAH 1st.)

Are you joking? This is just awful work.

Flynn isn't even remotely close to Rose. This is just laughable.

You are a mod?

[Esohny]

To be fair, Rashoismydad would trade Jefferson for not-so-fresh road kill and a half-tin of chewing tobacco.

Like expirings and lotto picks in a draft full of bigs....oh no!

Sorry you have an erection for a one dimensional, lazy, black hole of a player who makes 12M+ and plays the same position as a BETTER player in Love. I just cant wait to rip into you clowns when Jefferson is actually moved and all your ridiculous worries about losing such an amazing player never come to fruition.

[horaceworthy]

To be fair, Rashoismydad would trade Jefferson for not-so-fresh road kill and a half-tin of chewing tobacco.

Like expirings and lotto picks in a draft full of bigs....oh no!

Sorry you have an erection for a one dimensional, lazy, black hole of a player who makes 12M+ and plays the same position as a BETTER player in Love. I just cant wait to rip into you clowns when Jefferson is actually moved and all your ridiculous worries about losing such an amazing player never come to fruition.

I'd like to see you design a trade that brings back expirings and multiple lotto picks in this draft for Big Al.

[horaceworthy]

Minnesota fans like Shrink need to get realistic about their team's player's values. Kudos to Kahn for trying to sell high on Jefferson. He seems like a pretty smart GM.

It seemed more like trying to buy high on Granger to me. I don't think he can sell high on Big Al until Jefferson's fully healthy and playing at or near the level he was before he tore his ACL last year.

[CellarDoor]

This trade just isn't really feasible...
Derrick's from Chicago. Playing out of his mind. Our first all-star since Jordan, and the heart and soul of a team that's actually starting to look like it's on the upswing. The only person on the team you can say that about other than Derrick is the other guy in the deal, Noah, who's one of the league's better rebounders and just a flat out player.

Flynn looks very good (full disclosure: I've only seen him play around 10 times), but he doesn't look like he's someone with a ridiculously high ceiling. Jefferson is very good, but he's about as good as he's going to get, and he's got some serious flaws to go along with his serious strengths. You just don't trade a guy like Derrick who, if he's got a ceiling, it isn't anywhere we can see it.

This may become a punch-line aimed at Chicago fans in the coming months, but quote me, sig me, whatever: short of CP3, Lebron, Dwight there's no one I trade Derrick for without thinking twice. Guys like Kobe and Wade give me pause, but he's that good/likely has more time with our team.

[john2jer]

To be fair, Rashoismydad would trade Jefferson for not-so-fresh road kill and a half-tin of chewing tobacco.

Like expirings and lotto picks in a draft full of bigs....oh no!

Sorry you have an erection for a one dimensional, lazy, black hole of a player who makes 12M+ and plays the same position as a BETTER player in Love. I just cant wait to rip into you clowns when Jefferson is actually moved and all your ridiculous worries about losing such an amazing player never come to fruition.

Hey, it's a pretty big erection.

And new guy, I think the bit your running is amazing and all, but it's a bit off. I've never once said Jefferson was untouchable. I said above in this thread that Chicago was getting ripped off in this deal. I just think Jefferson is worth more than the pile of trash you always want to trade him for.

There's a difference between not wanting to trade a player, and not wanting to trade him for garbage.