How to get rid of Turk - suggestions?

[fishercob]

Posted this in another thread:

Hedo and Jack for Richard Jefferson.

Why for Toronto: Giving up Jack is the price to get out of Hedo's deal. They clear a boat load of cash long term. They also get a year-long look at Jefferson, the type of athletic wing that they've needed for years (who was a key contributor on some very strong defensive teams in his career). If he fits well, perhaps he re-signs at a significant reduction next summer.

Why for San Antonio: It pries their window open a little longer. For whatever reason, Jefferson hasn't fit there how they'd hoped. Hedo's shooting and passing would fit great (again) on that squad. Jack's a great value that provides depth in the back court. This also gives them some leverage in keeping Ginobili.

[JES12]

I don't see the Spurs having any interest in Hedu.

[fishercob]

I don't see the Spurs having any interest in Hedu.

How come? He gives them everything Jefferson didn't -- another offensive option, a good fit alongside their other stars, a good crunch-time pedigree.

Hedo's value surely isn't what it was because the Raps are a poorly constructed team and Hedo's got a pretty hefty contract. But this is the same guy that starred in the playoffs last summer. I think this deal would make the Spurs a lot better right away.

[no D in Hibachi]

trade him for a worse contract

arenas or brand

Rather keep Arenas, he did post 23,7,4 for the season before the suspension. Much better than Turkey glue

[Jimmy76]

trade him for a worse contract

arenas or brand

Rather keep Arenas, he did post 23,7,4 for the season before the suspension. Much better than Turkey glue

brand might be the only option then

do sixers fans do Hedo+filler for Brand?

[DanTown8587]

I don't see the Spurs having any interest in Hedu.

How come? He gives them everything Jefferson didn't -- another offensive option, a good fit alongside their other stars, a good crunch-time pedigree.

Hedo's value surely isn't what it was because the Raps are a poorly constructed team and Hedo's got a pretty hefty contract. But this is the same guy that starred in the playoffs last summer. I think this deal would make the Spurs a lot better right away.

Because the Spurs window for a title doesn't get that much longer in acquiring an aging Turkoglu for the next four years.

I'm sorry, no team in their right mind would trade an expiring contract for Hedo now that Isiah doesn't have a job. And that is what Richard Jefferson is. Fit or not, his contract is about X10000 times what Hedo's is and is at worse an equal player.

[fishercob]

DanTown, I agree that they're similar players. In fact, when you look at a comparison of their 08-09 seasons (after which both guys changed teams), the similarities are staggering:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... i?id=ZZYdj

The one thing that sticks out to me is that Hedo's assist rate of 22% is double that of Jefferson's. I think that supports my hunch that Hedo would just fit better than RJ has.

I also think that Jack, at his salary is an asset to SA. He can play beside TP, Manu (if they keep him) or George Hill. He's a hard nosed defender. Considering how much injuries have taken a toll on that team, I think another reliable backcourt guy is important.

SA may say that it's just too long of a commitment or that it impedes their ability to keep Manu (and they deem that a higher priority), but I think there's little doubt this move would make them a much better team. If they decide to pay the luxtax and chase another ring or two, I think this deal is a big step in the right direction.

[JES12]

That is still $43 million dollar before tax conciderations for very minimal, if any gain that you are trying to pawn off on one of the more frugal teams (though not this year) teams in the league. And Jack means jack in this trade since they got Parker and Hill and 3rd string PG are a dime a dozen and will get paid vet min or rookie scale.

[fishercob]

That is still $43 million dollar before tax conciderations for very minimal, if any gain that you are trying to pawn off on one of the more frugal teams (though not this year) teams in the league. And Jack means jack in this trade since they got Parker and Hill and 3rd string PG are a dime a dozen and will get paid vet min or rookie scale.

My point is it's NOT a very minimal gain. Jefferson's PER dropped from 15.4 last year to 12.5 this year. He's a bad fit. If he fit better and was providing the production he did last year, SA would be a much better team -- perhaps legit contenders. My argument is that Turk is much more likely to produce along the lines of what he and RJ did last year (when they earned their new deal and trade, respectively).

There's no way that Jack "means jack" in any deal he's in. He's shooting 43% from 3 this year (TS% of .61!) How can you look at a hurt Parker and an aging Ginobili and argue that he wouldn't help the Spurs?

Again, if the money's too much, I get it. But I have little doubt that this makes SA much better.

[JES12]

But I have little doubt that this makes SA much better.

I don't think it gives them one more win this year. Anyone who has followed the decline of the Spurs can see it is on the defensive end and trading Jefferson for Turk makes that even worse. I think that trade has the potential to make them significantly worse immediately. And Jack does mean jack with because Parker will be back and they have Hill who has been playing pretty well. And the extended years of Turk and Jack only hurts their flexibility.

[SalemStoner]

Your best bet from removing Hedo from your payroll is to either package him in a Bosh S&T or to try hiring a hitman - the NBA wouldn't keep a dead man's salary on the books, would they?


On second thought, maybe option B isn't so good after all...

[FNQ]

I've tried everything... he just keeps posting. Nothing we can do.

[Dr Positivity]

Arenas could be available if Washington really wants to "move on"

[moocow007]

Someone said this. STASH GUNS IN HIS LOCKER! lol

But how about Bosh + Hedo in a sign and trade for Lee + Harrington/other SF?

NY is not going to give up a shot at James by taking on Turkoglu's contract.

[moocow007]

Someone said this. STASH GUNS IN HIS LOCKER! lol

But how about Bosh + Hedo in a sign and trade for Lee + Harrington/other SF?

Harrington? Please tell me you're joking

Doesn't matter if he's joking (and Harrington is better than Turkoglu)...there's NO REASON whatsoever for NY to do this.

[moocow007]

Turkoglu + Evans + Belinelli for Brand + Green. Brand can Replace Bosh next season.

Toronto try a s&t with the Knicks. Bosh for Curry + Gallo.

Bargs / Amir
Brand / Amir
Gallo / Weems
Derozan / Green
Jack / Calderon

Deal. That would potentially allow the Knicks to get Bosh, sign James AND get Joe Johnson. NY get's their big 3 (like Boston did) with the only difference being the Knicks big 3 would be a lot younger than Boston's big 3 at the same point.

[Norm2953]

It would seem to me that the best fit for a Hedo trade would be back to Orlando
but if Bosh leaves, Toronto is going to have to deal with rebuilding and get what
they can for guys like Hedo.

[LApwnd]

Is this close?

TOR GIVES: Turkoglu
TOR GETS: Walton + Vujacic (exp)

LAL GIVES: Odom + Walton + Vujacic
LAL GETS: Hinrich + Turkoglu + Taj Gibson

CHI GIVES: Hinrich + Taj Gibson
CHI GETS: Odom + $2 mil cap space

TOR reduces talent, but cuts salary
LAL fills their roster, and increases championship odds
CHI gets a starting PF, and adds to their cap space.

That could work...definitely on board.

LA easily says no, dumping Walton while losing Odom and taking on Turk makes the team WORSE, Odom is the reason why our big man rotation is the most versatile in the league and he's finally paid what he's worth, 8mill a year for a guy who can drop a double double when he feels like it is a big time steal vs. a 10mill/yr guy who chucks 3 and is as slow as Walton....we can hinrich on our own we dont need Tor.

[BringBackKorver]

Here's my try.

Brand and Kapono
for
Bargnani, Hedo, Weems

[old rem]

Here's my try.

Brand and Kapono
for
Bargnani, Hedo, Weems

Try harder. Not a big Bargs fan but KAPONO? If Hedu is a bad contract, Brand is double bad.