Pimpwerx wrote:I wish we could make these replies shorter, I really do.
Anyway, feel free to point out my posts, please, and let's take a look at posts that preceded and followed them. When I make a comment after a loss, I'm being just as irrational as you guys are. I remember after a loss in Indiana, I said, "the seeds of discourse have been sewn." Riiiiiiiiight. How wrong was that comment? LOL! Emotions usually lead to irrationality, which is why you won't see me stand by any of those knee-jerk responses. What's your excuse? I haven't spent the last 2.5 seasons moaning about the same thing, have I? How's that working out for you?
Sorry that my opinions don't sway wildly with my emotions like a teenage girl or you. My opinions don't shift radically over wins and losses like yours do because I'm not a flip flopper like you.
You keep using that your posts before and after are different than the ones in the middle. EXACTLY. You're a flip flopper who plays the result. That's the point.
Yeah the talent was better the second year. That seems obvious to everyone.
Which one of those two lineups is the 15-win on, and which one is the playoff team? Can you really tell when you list it from top to bottom? Let's not forget JO was bitchmade, Beas was a bust, Wright was a bust, Rio was a rookie, QRich wasn't even on the team until the following season, JJ had no impact on the defense, Cook was in the midst of busting, Arroyo wasn't on the team until the following year, and neither was Rafer.
In reality, the 15 win team in order of games played was this:
The team that followed was:
That's a very simplistic way of looking at things, which we've come to expect from you. You just don't seem capable of critical thinking. I'll address this at the bottom for the upteenth time.
Half the roster returned, but the team went from 26th in DRTG to 11th in DRTG, which is what started the turnaround. The following year, DRTG improved to 6th. That's not a fluke. That's not a roster. That's a coach and his system making improvements.
So Spo is a much better coach than Riley, right?
His system made huge improvements and you say its the coach and his system making improvements. Improvements over Riley? I'll wait for you to back pedal and flip flop from that and blame it on your emotions again.
I'd love to believe your argument that this was all spurred by Wade's amazing MVP-level season, but the evidence doesn't seem to support you. Our improvements, that vaulted us into the playoffs, was on defense. Wade is a great defender, but nowhere near the source of that massive jump. We're also not making the playoffs without that improvement, because our offense was still only 20th and 19th in the league in Spo's first two seasons.
So right there, we see Spo had a direct impact on the area we know he specializes in, defense, and that was the most-significant improvement to the team once he joined. Not the roster, and not Wade's offensive explosion, which didn't really impact the defense that much.
Again so is Spo a better coach than Riley?
In addition to this, there's still no explanation for how an average coach only manages 12 games (still to this day) where his team is below .500. I've seen coaches accumulate more than that in a single season with multiple HoFers on their roster. Pringles and Doc are the examples that come to mind. No one is crediting Spo with rings he didn't win, but you can't discount the games he won prior to the Big3.
He had average teams with an average roster. That makes him a top 3 coach?
Spo has been lucky to have one or two of the top three players in the league every year. Other coaches don't have that luxury every single year of their career. Some coaches never get that at all. Spo had one or two every single year.
A rich kid usually never has to succeed in abject poverty. You guys act ignorant of what Spo was working with before the Big3, like he has an embarrassment of riches. There was an embarrassment alright, but it wasn't of riches. A minority coach doesn't work his way from video coordinator to head coach, appointed by a HoF head coach, without being really damn good. Perhaps you'll be so kind as to point similar rags to riches stories, because I don't think you will find one. It just doesn't happen. So either Riley is a damn fool, or maybe he sees the traits of a good coach in Spo. Of course, that couldn't make any sense, right? So then Spo is so overmatched in this position that you and other armchairs can see it before Riley, amirite? Of course, tat makes complete and utter sense...in the bizarro world you three inhabit.
Another one of your classic strawmen. Please point out where I have called the roster before the big 3 anything resembling an embarrassment of riches. Riley did think Spo was the best coach... on his staff at the time. I agree with Riley there. Spo was the best coach on his staff. If Riley's ego allowed him to hire coaches not from his own coaching tree then Spo would not have been the choice.
The only person who said that the armchairs see more than Riley and Spo was you. During the Indiana series, remember?
You ever see the homeless guy on the side of the road mumbling to himself? To him, he's having an engrossing conversation full of facts. To us, he's just wearing clown shoes. You guys are wearing clown shoes. Keep on rambling, though. PEACE.
This is so ironic coming from you. The three people you are arguing with are all laughing at your ineptitude. You're right that guy rambling to himself does think he have facts but in reality he can't even keep his facts straights because his opinions sway radically because he, like a teenage girl, cannot control his emotions.
Going back to the rosters and win turnaround.
You are saying the improvement is coming from the improvement in coaching (going from Riley to Spo). That's laughable.
Wade went from less than 2000 mins to more than 3000 mins. That's 1000 more Wade mins and he was healthy that second season. That's a HUGE upgrade on offense and defense.
Haslem played 700 more mins and that was back when he was a useful player, especially on defense.
Shawn Marion played only 16 games in the tank year and 42 games in Spo's first year. Another big upgrade especially on defense.
Then they got Jermaine O'Neal for the end of the year. Another big upgrade on defense.
Joel ANthony doubled his minutes. Another big upgrade on defense.
No Ricky Davis who played almost 3000 minutes. Another HUGE upgrade on defense.
No 1500 mins of Blount. Another HUGE upgrade on defense.
No 1800 mins of JWILL. Another HUGE upgrade on defense.
No 1000 mins of Shaq. Another big upgrade on defense.
You mentioned Zo but failed to mention that he played less than 400 mins.
Who knew that replacing Shaq, Jwill, Blount, and Ricky Davis with JO, Marion and more minutes for Wade, Haslem and Joel would improve the defense? You're right it must be that Spo is a much better coach than Riley like you claim.
The team also added Chalmers and Beasley who had decent rookie years. Either way much better than Jwill and Ricky Davis who they were taking minutes from.
Seems like the teams were pretty different if you really look into it instead of taking the simplistic approach that you used. But you can keep thinking the reason was because Spo is such a vastly superior coach to Riley and the change was because of Spo.
Your emotions fuel the narratives that you create. You see what you want to see. You believe what you want to believe. You ascribe meaning when it is not there. You create significance when it is not present.