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Breaking down Heat's D (also, Arroyo is horrible)

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Breaking down Heat's D (also, Arroyo is horrible) 

Post#1 » by truthiness » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:20 pm

So we've been talking about how Spo sucks and should be fired. Let's back this up with some data.
To all those that aren't yet convinced the Heat have serious coaching issues (cough*HIF*cough): this is for you.


For me, the biggest problem is that the Heat's defense doubles, triples and quadruples players unnecessarily, leaving opposing 3p shooters wide open in the corners, in the process.

This is something for which Pops would kill you with his bare hands. The Spurs NEVER EVER EVER EVER leave open shooters in the corners. They'd rather give up a contested 2 than an open 3. And one might argue their system had some success over the years.


Exhibit 1:

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Here TJ Ford beats House off the dribble, and the Heat's defense reacts by QUADRUPLE-teaming TJ Ford, leaving Granger and Dunleavy open in the corners. Dunleavy makes a 3 pointer.

Why would you need to QUADRUPLE team TJ Ford is beyond me. One guy should be enough to help House and either take a charge or block/alter Ford's shot.


Exhibit 2:

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Again, unnecessary triple teaming of Rush opens Posey for a layup. Rush was not in a position to warrant triple-or even double-teaming.

You will notice that the Pacers are playing a small line-up, with Solomon Jones at C, while Spoelstra keeps Z on the court, instead of using the opportunity to play a quicker and more athletic line-up that could put some points on the board in a hurry: Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Jones, House.


Exhibit 3:

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Again, basketball superstar TJ Ford triple teamed, leaving Rush open for a 3 (he didn't take it, but he was open). This time TJ didn't even get to beat House off the dribble before getting triple teamed.

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You can see the play develop. Rush is now WIDE open, while the Heat is basically quadruple teaming, as Jones stays in the paint while his man, Dunleavy, sprints to the other corner. I guess Jones had to be there just in case TJ Ford bulldozed his way through Wade, Bosh and House.


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Collison gets in on the action as he was feeling neglected. Miami obliges and triple teams, although Arroyo was still in front of him. This leaves Granger open for a 3. If Wade closes in on him, Rush has an open path for a dunk or layup, or could set up for a corner 3. Or he could order lunch and some dessert and then shoot an open J.


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Collison gets triple teamed AGAIN. This time Solomon Jones is wide open a few feet from the basket and makes a J. You might call this a quadruple team, as Wade (4) also moves towards the paint, leaving Rush open. If the pass went to Rush he could have shot a 3 or Wade would have had to go too hard towards him, allowing Rush to beat him off the dribble and leaving Miami playing 4 against 5 on D.


Exhibit 6:

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TJ Ford gets quadruple teamed. AGAIN. Granger and Posey are open for 3.


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How about a quintuple team for TJ Ford. Solomon Jones set a screen for him, so TJ Ford gets rid of Arroyo and is met by the entire Heat team. Notice how Arroyo instead of rotating to another man, keeps chasing TJ Ford, like a dog after his favorite toy. Jones is open for a J, but Posey is even more open for a corner 3. Which he makes.


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Granger is triple teamed on the baseline when a double team would have sufficed, leaving Dunleavy open in the corner. Bosh runs hard to cover him, but that means that when he gets the ball, Dunleavy can swing it to a wide open Posey. And if Arroyo moves in on Posey, that leaves TJ Ford open for a 3.

Just one more example of how exaggerating with the double and triple teaming puts your D in trouble and allows the opponent to keep you off balance just by moving the ball till they find an open shot they like - cause they can afford to choose which open shots to take.


Exhibit 9:

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Granger is again triple teamed in a position where he's not that dangerous and while his man (Howard) is still in front of him. Here Posey is left open for a 3.

Again, we notice how the Heat play a big slow line-up and the Pacers are shredding their D with a smaller, quicker, faster line-up.


Another problem is how bigs are showing up when their man sets a screen. Normally you want your big to help and recover. But Z, Magloire and Howard are so slow that they can't really impede the process of the opposing PG, who gets around them easily. This results in the opposing PG having beaten Arroyo/House AND the opposing C/PF having a step on Z/Magloire/Howard. There are 2 men out of position and the Heat is playing 3 on 5. Before the defense scrambles to recover, the other team has already found and taken an open shot.


Exhibit 1:

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Howard shows up on a screen by Posey. Notice the hand up in the air, when it should be down, trying to slow down TJ Ford. House gets picked and TJ Ford flies by Howard.

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House and Howard are left in the dust. House tries to run after TJ Ford instead of rotating. Howard probably just tries to figure out what day of the week this is and what are those damn kids doing on his lawn.

Heat's defense overreacts with a triple team (while Lebron is also ready to step towards Ford). This leaves Solomon Jones open to roll hard to the basket and Dunleavy so alone in the corner that he's probably getting anxious and depressed.


Yet another issue is the play of Miami's PG. Especially Arroyo. Both him and House suck on defense, but at least House can hit the open 3 and help spread the floor. Arroyo on the other hand passes open 3s over and over again and, to make matters worse, is a ball stopper on offense. He likes to dominate the ball. When he gets the ball he feels the need to pump fake, take a few dribbles and then shoot or pass. This kills the rhythm of the offense.


Exhibit 1:

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Arroyo gets a wide open look at a 3 pointer. Instead of shooting he pump fakes, allowing the defense to close in on him, takes a couple of dribbles and attempts a pass to Bosh inside, a pass that results in a turnover.


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Again, Arroyo is open for a 3. This time a corner 3. Again, he fakes, takes a couple of dribbles and causes a 3 second violation, as Z took up a rebounding position inside the paint, expecting a shot.



ALL THESE are proof of bad coaching, even if some are related to players' shortcomings. It's the coach's job to put the players in the best position to succeed, to emphasize their strengths and hide their weaknesses. On the Heat, however, it's quite the reverse.

* It's the coach's fault Arroyo plays with the 1st unit when he'd fit better off the bench.

* It's the coach's fault all these ridiculous double/triple/quadruple teaming takes place.

* It's the coach's fault slow bigs are left in the game when the opponent plays small ball - Miami should feast on small opponents, with Wade and Lebron as athletic and strong as they are. The ideal line-up would have to be (when everyone's healthy): Wade, Miller, Lebron, Bosh, Haslem or Wade, Jones, Miller, Lebron, Bosh and you can play it against small ball rather than a team with a lot of size.

I have nothing personally against Spoelstra, and I really wanted him to succeed. It would have been awesome had he turned into Phil Jackson 2.0. But he hasn't, and it's time for him to be replaced.
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Re: Breaking down Heat's D (also, Arroyo is horrible) 

Post#2 » by TMIMITW » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:24 pm

WOW great POINT!!!!!!
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Post#3 » by salqaddoumi » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:31 pm

Wow, excellent thread.

I've always been annoyed with the over-committal of this defensive system.
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Post#4 » by TMIMITW » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:36 pm

PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO THE MIAMI HEAT COACHING STAFF WOW!!!
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Post#5 » by Wade2k6 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:37 pm

They over-help entirely too much on defense. When a player penetrates the entire team doesn't need to collapse, all it takes is 1 player to step up and stop the ball. When the entire team collapses on the penetrator, it creates wide open shots. We've had major problems guarding good PG's because when they get into the lane the entire defense collapses and these PG's are more then capable of finding the open teammate spotting up at the 3pt line.

And they over-help too much on screens as well. There is no reason for a big-man to continue to hedge on a screen when the PG (or whoever is getting screened) recovers, which I've seen them do countless times. Again, it leaves the screener wide open and forces other players to rotate, and by that time the ball in passed to an open teammate spotting up.


I posted this in the fire Spo thread, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the defense side or the ball so far.
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Post#6 » by shadowx » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:41 pm

Agree completely about the over defending of penetrating guards and the poor on ball defense of both Arroyo and House but the truth is in this game at least Arroyo hit on both 3's he took and House misses every single one he took.
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Post#7 » by Chosen01 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:47 pm

Wow. Nice man, our system friggin sucks..

For the past few years we always double and triple team, the person handling the rock which always leads to open jumpers, its SOOOOO annoying.

There so many times I see Wade,James, Bosh leave their man from the perimeter to help in the paint, I don't get why they can just set a single coverage. If he makes it through a contested jumper so be it, but obviously you don't want to leave open a proven NBA player.

And yea Arroyo is pretty garbage, hes made some open 3pt shots in the past yet in the game he was hesitant leading to turnovers, if he can make open shots then he doesn't belong in the lineup, numerous times where I'm like "damn if only that were House or Jones in the corner instead of Arroyo"

Things need to change..
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Post#8 » by cheenofly523 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:58 pm

Im going to tweet this to Ira
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Post#9 » by rainking » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:58 pm

Great job Truthiness. The Heat defensive system of packing the paint and overreacting to dribble penetration has been a problem for years. It was a system that worked for Riley in the 80's and 90's because the 3pt shooting percentage across the league was lower. However, with players shooting better from the 3pt line, especially guys that camp out in the corners, this defensive philosophy is antiquated. You are exactly right that they would be better off letting guys take contested 2's than overreacting and giving up wide open 3's.

Unfortunately, our defensive system plays directly into the hands of our two biggest obstacles in the East. Orlando lives off of teams doubling Howard and moving the ball to open shooters, and Boston plays best when teams react to Rondo's penetration, allowing him to kick out to Allen/Pierce/Garnett. If Spo was forward thinking, which we all know he is not, he would force guys like Howard and Rondo to score 30 points and not allow them to set up their teammates. This theory goes for pretty much every dominant PG in the leauge as well. Deron, CP3, Nash, Rondo, etc. affect the game much more as passers than as scorers, so why not force them to be scorers. What do I know though? I don't use fancy rhetoric like being "active participants in our own rescue" and "purity of the game." Long live Spo.
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Post#10 » by rainking » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:07 pm

cheenofly523 wrote:Im going to tweet this to Ira


What is the point? When has Ira ever written an insightful article that actually breaks the game down and uses statistics to make a point. Ira is a beat writer in every sense of the word. He reports what he is told by coaches and players and offers very little original thought in his articles.
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Post#11 » by salqaddoumi » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:44 pm

cheenofly523 wrote:Im going to tweet this to Ira


Of all the people to possibly forward this to, you chose Ira Winderman? :o
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Post#12 » by truthiness » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:51 pm

There is something I forgot to add to the original post.
Another thing that really hurt the Heat against the Pacers were back screens. The Pacers had more than a few dunks and layups off back screens.

However I am not too worried about those (part of the reason why I forgot to mention them), because I think it's caused by lack of/bad communication, which is to be expected in a team that is still trying to develop some chemistry and consistency. Also, I only noticed this to be a problem against the Pacers, unlike the other points that were constants during the season so far.

Speaking of the Pacers, I think it's time us Heat fans gave them their props. They moved the ball amazingly well, shot very well and were overall a much better team than I expected.
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Post#13 » by DWadeno3 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:03 am

truthiness wrote:There is something I forgot to add to the original post.
Another thing that really hurt the Heat against the Pacers were back screens. The Pacers had more than a few dunks and layups off back screens.

However I am not too worried about those (part of the reason why I forgot to mention them), because I think it's caused by lack of/bad communication, which is to be expected in a team that is still trying to develop some chemistry and consistency. Also, I only noticed this to be a problem against the Pacers, unlike the other points that were constants during the season so far.

Speaking of the Pacers, I think it's time us Heat fans gave them their props. They moved the ball amazingly well, shot very well and were overall a much better team than I expected.


This and your first post are both great but I think the terrible rotations are also just a matter of miscommunication and having just gotten together. But, in order to make sure we are on the same page, we need a coach to point it out in the video sessions and fix it by telling the players what they did wrong and what they will have to do the next time.

What's so mind-numbing to me though is how almost everybody on this board here has been pointing out what you just gave us proof for and how the coaching staff can not see it. I thought Spoelstra was supposed to be a good video coordinator and able to prepare his teams well? I don't get how you can't see it when you watch the tape again. In fact, you should see it during the game, as even regular fans like all of us easily see it. This is just proof of his inability to really coach a basketball team.
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Post#14 » by BronBron06 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:07 am

So what's this... the PATENTED SPO DEFENSE


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Post#15 » by Miamis3rdRing » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:44 am

Hell of a post, great analysis.

What's amazing is how many times we had the EXACT same type of breakdown. A good coach/team would never let the same error occur over, and over, and over again. It makes me sick.
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Post#16 » by andre316 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:44 am

Excellent thread, I couldn't agree more. Those issues would cost you even in a pickup game.

And like someone else said, if Spo's background is being a video coordinator, he should be ashamed of himself. Most of the defensive success we HAVE had this year probably owes more to our freakishly athletic stars than our brilliant system.

We need to have a body on good 3-point shooters at all times when they're camping at, or fighting their way to, the perimeter *cough*RayAllen*cough*, and we should never smother players outside of the paint. Bait them to take those long 2s. Also keeps us out of foul trouble.
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Post#17 » by dflash3 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:56 am

Wow truthiness that is an excellent break down of some of the problems the Heat have been experiencing throughout the season. You need to find a way to find a position within the Heat organization.
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Post#18 » by secund2nun » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:00 am

This post is so good that not even one of those braindead moron Spo defenders have come on here and tried to make excuse for failure spo.
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Post#19 » by SweetTouch » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:00 am

5 star post, will read again
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Post#20 » by truthiness » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:27 am

coolstorybro wrote:Hell of a post, great analysis.

What's amazing is how many times we had the EXACT same type of breakdown. A good coach/team would never let the same error occur over, and over, and over again. It makes me sick.


Thanks to you and all the others that appreciated the post - it took a while to write. :)

You should have seen the start of the Spurs-Magic game. Blair loses Rashard on a screen just once and Rashard scores a 3 pointer and Pops takes Blair out ON THE SPOT. JUST ONE MINUTE into the game. He berates and/or explains to him what he should do and puts him back in a few minutes later. After that, Blair kept an eye on Rashard at all times. In the end Pops didn't play Blair much. He went with Bonner who turned out to be a good choice as he hit a few long range bombs.

This shows what a good coach does. Accountability and adaptability. Blair wasn't probably the best fit to chase Rashard, and the Spurs needed spacing on offense. Pops made the adjustment and they won.

dflash3 wrote:Wow truthiness that is an excellent break down of some of the problems the Heat have been experiencing throughout the season. You need to find a way to find a position within the Heat organization.


I'd love that. But then, who wouldn't ?!
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