Miami Heat@ Indiana Pacers, Tuesday 8/1, 7:00 EST

[imchillin]

When does Joels contract end? He needs league minimum, he plays one end of the floor so yea league minimum

[420]

I feel bad for guys like Jorts and Pittman.

Pittman came into training camp in the best shape of his career and only got 3mpg in 4 games before being sent to the D-League

Jorts never got a fair chance with the team, either, with 6mpg in 5 games.

It sucks that we've given Joel a ton of opportunities and have all the faith in the world in the guy, but he just doesn't improve and spends the offseason partying after being benched in the playoffs. What kinda message does that send to the rest of the guys trying to make the team...

[Mutnt]

Damn, our embarrassing rebounding is hiding the pitiful offensive play too, where nobody's scoring but the Big Three and even they do it exerting too much energy and taking difficult shots.

The Heat got to have the top 3 worst role players/bench in the league... and to think we are champions wow. I mean seriously, I'm thinking very hard on this. Maybe the Wizards, Bobcats and Blazers are somewhat comparable in this area.

It goes without saying everybody's about as one dimensional as it gets, but the hell, most can't fulfill the only thing they're essentially getting paid to do... It's beyond disgusting. We have three point specialist who can't hit jack (Allen, Battier, Miller, Chalmers). Miller passed up a WIDE open three in the 4th for a D-Wade triple? Are you fckin kiddin' me? That's like our PG's passing the ball to Joel to handle it over the half court... We have point guards who turn the ball over in the most stupidest of ways. We have franchise rebounding record holders who can't rebound worth **** (Hi, Hasbeen). Not to mention none of the guys mentioned above can defend (sans Joel), rebound, create for themselves, drive & pass the ball effectively. And I'm not talking about half-ass Chalmers/Cole drives where they' either turn it over, get it blocked or miss (mostly all three things together).

In short, this team is a mess. Changes needed A.S.A.P

[imchillin]

I feel bad for guys like Jorts and Pittman.

Pittman came into training camp in the best shape of his career and only got 3mpg in 4 games before being sent to the D-League

Jorts never got a fair chance with the team, either, with 6mpg in 5 games.

It sucks that we've given Joel a ton of opportunities and have all the faith in the world in the guy, but he just doesn't improve and spends the offseason partying after being benched in the playoffs. What kinda message does that send to the rest of the guys trying to make the team...

how you know hes partying in the off season?

[Pimpwerx]

Rio is slumping, but so what? When we needed him in the playoffs the last two season, he has produced. When we needed that 4th scorer, who could also help maintain our defense, he was the answer. He's unafraid of the big moment, and that is something you can't teach. He had a great game against OKC, right? Let him play through his issues. We have Cole to balance the PG rotation for now.

LOL @ the Joel complaints too. Isn't he the big people were saying we needed to play? Now that he's playing and not really fixing anything, we're willing to toss him aside too? Joel's the same player he's always been. This season he's gotten better offensively, but he's not really an impact big. His stat line tonight looks like his usual work. I'll have to watch the replay to get a better idea, but what was so wrong with his play tonight? PEACE.

[Heat3]

They lucky they won it all last year. Seems to shield them from the blasting they deserve.

[420]

I feel bad for guys like Jorts and Pittman.

Pittman came into training camp in the best shape of his career and only got 3mpg in 4 games before being sent to the D-League

Jorts never got a fair chance with the team, either, with 6mpg in 5 games.

It sucks that we've given Joel a ton of opportunities and have all the faith in the world in the guy, but he just doesn't improve and spends the offseason partying after being benched in the playoffs. What kinda message does that send to the rest of the guys trying to make the team...

how you know hes partying in the off season?

Here ya go

http://sandrarose.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Joel-Anthony-Miami-Barbados-SPL.jpg

http://gossipextra.com/wp-content/uploa ... inding.jpg

http://gossipextra.com/wp-content/uploa ... inding.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/ ... /barb1.jpg

[imchillin]

I feel bad for guys like Jorts and Pittman.

Pittman came into training camp in the best shape of his career and only got 3mpg in 4 games before being sent to the D-League

Jorts never got a fair chance with the team, either, with 6mpg in 5 games.

It sucks that we've given Joel a ton of opportunities and have all the faith in the world in the guy, but he just doesn't improve and spends the offseason partying after being benched in the playoffs. What kinda message does that send to the rest of the guys trying to make the team...

how you know hes partying in the off season?

Here ya go

http://sandrarose.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Joel-Anthony-Miami-Barbados-SPL.jpg

http://gossipextra.com/wp-content/uploa ... inding.jpg

http://gossipextra.com/wp-content/uploa ... inding.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/ ... /barb1.jpg

lmao you right you right

[bluerain]

Right now the heat have a lot of issues game to game . Its really a shitz storm. Point guard play is horrendous, bench never show up even at home, and rebounds is near comical. Guys, Chris is tired playing center. You can see it. Bosh is trying without trying because he is fed up. Players know their limitations. Nobody is playing free mind flowing ball because they are worry about rebounding.


The heat need put out they are looking at pg because Rio is garbage. Have you all notice the games Rio play well in is team with low IQ pg. That's why he feast on westbrook because he's another Rio just liitle more establish. Yes he can play sometimes, but he is holding back the evolution of Big 3 especially bron because he kept him from playing off the ball.

Ray Allen is delusional, and Coach Spo too. Stop trying to drive, and I think ray think of himself better than miller and battier when really he is not. He needs to sit a wait for the ball because he cannot guy by screen like he used to. Its so easy to stick with ray now he can't lose nobody.

Lebron is playing hurt and still playing 40 something min. Coach is OK coach and he yet to prove he can win games without bron. Why is Lewis and jj got now run. They couldn't be any worse than Rio, battier and Allen.

[Heat3]

lol who give a crap if he partying. guess what, i was on vacation over the holidays. you guys think i was "working on my craft"?

[Pimpwerx]

Got home late tonight. I heard some of the game on the radio. SMH @ only 11 points from the non-Big3. SMH @ getting killed on the boards again. Lazy ass effort. I don't even feel like watching the replay at midnight, but I guess I will. Terrible start to the road trip. PEACE.

Spo? Is that you?

We outrebounded this Pacers team 3 of the 6 games in the postseason, WITHOUT BOSH. This Pacers team doesn't even have Granger in, and they murdered us worse than any of those games we played without Bosh. I'd say that either screams effort, or our team aged a decade in one Summer of post-championship partying. Hey, it's could happen. PEACE.

[Slot Machine]

Got home late tonight. I heard some of the game on the radio. SMH @ only 11 points from the non-Big3. SMH @ getting killed on the boards again. Lazy ass effort. I don't even feel like watching the replay at midnight, but I guess I will. Terrible start to the road trip. PEACE.

Spo? Is that you?

We outrebounded this Pacers team 3 of the 6 games in the postseason, WITHOUT BOSH. This Pacers team doesn't even have Granger in, and they murdered us worse than any of those games we played without Bosh. I'd say that either screams effort, or our team aged a decade in one Summer of post-championship partying. Hey, it's could happen. PEACE.

More like the fact that this team can't and won't give a playoff-level effort every night just so they don't get killed on the boards. It's completely unrealistic to think they could and even if they tried to, they'd be gassed out by the playoffs.

[OtW]

Some post game ccomments.

Michael Wallace ‏@WallaceNBA_ESPN
LeBron on Heat struggles: "It's frustrating. Very frustrating. It's reached the point where we have to figure it out."

Michael Wallace ‏@WallaceNBA_ESPN
Paul George on Heat: "For as good as they are, they struggle rebounding. We knew that going in ... and took advantage."

Michael Wallace ‏@WallaceNBA_ESPN
More from George on Heat: "It's good to beat the team that put you out of the playoffs. It's big. But it's one game."

Paul George's quote about our rebounding sounds eerily similar to the post game quotes of a rival player from a team in the central division that also out boarded us by twenty last week in a loss. No way. Two players on opposing teams talking about taking advantage of our small team's rebounding issues? You must be Joakim, man. It's all effort, not personnel. Fixing our rebounding will come from within!

[Mutnt]

Rio is slumping, but so what? When we needed him in the playoffs the last two season, he has produced. When we needed that 4th scorer, who could also help maintain our defense, he was the answer. He's unafraid of the big moment, and that is something you can't teach. He had a great game against OKC, right? Let him play through his issues. We have Cole to balance the PG rotation for now.

LOL @ the Joel complaints too. Isn't he the big people were saying we needed to play? Now that he's playing and not really fixing anything, we're willing to toss him aside too? Joel's the same player he's always been. This season he's gotten better offensively, but he's not really an impact big. His stat line tonight looks like his usual work. I'll have to watch the replay to get a better idea, but what was so wrong with his play tonight? PEACE.

Rio isn't slumping, he simply sucks. I'm not sure you understand the definition of the word slump. A slump is a small stretch of consecutive games in which a player is struggling to shoot the ball. 33 games isn't a small stretch of games. He plays like 2 good games per month. That my friend isn't slumping. That's hardcore sucking ass. And it's not like he is only shooting the ball poorly, he's been abysmal on defense and a bad play maker. For a guy who handles the ball 3rd most on the team, he isn't doing anything with it. Chalmers isn't starter material, never really was, but somehow being spoon-fed wide open threes by LeBron and Wade cemented him into the starting lineup. I think it's speaks for itself when there are more Heat fans on the Cole bandwagon now then ever and Cole in his own right is dreadful, but at least he brings decent defense.

Who's singling out Joel, especially for his rebounding (or lack thereof)? Everybody knows Joel is a below average rebounder. He's a good shot-blocker and defender, but a bad rebounder... always has been. And he's not particularly tall or strong either. He tries to get rebounds, but just gets bounced like a pinball ball all over the court. Anyway, Joel only played 11 minutes tonight, idk why he should shoulder any blame whatsoever? I also don't know how you've assessed Joel being a better offensive player this year? Did he catch the ball once or twice more than in the previous season? He's still easily the worst offensive big man in the league.

[420]

Who's singling out Joel, especially for his rebounding (or lack thereof)? Everybody knows Joel is a below average rebounder. He's a good shot-blocker and defender, but a bad rebounder... always has been. And he's not particularly tall or strong either. He tries to get rebounds, but just gets bounced like a pinball ball all over the court. Anyway, Joel only played 11 minutes tonight, idk why he should shoulder any blame whatsoever? I also don't know how you've assessed Joel being a better offensive player this year? Did he catch the ball once or twice more than in the previous season? He's still easily the worst offensive big man in the league.

If you're referring to me, I'm just saying that I felt bad for Jorts and Pitt for not getting a fair shake like Joel has for 5 years. But it's the whole team playing bad outside of Wade and LeBron, can't really single one player out. I think if people look back at the quote and re-read it they would understand why i'm upset at Joel, but mostly Spo since he's the one that decides who gets PT and who doesn't.

In a sense, Joel is innocent (as you mentioned) because we know what he's gonna give us (nothing) and we still feed him minutes and opportunities. I don't even blame him for not being able to catch the ball, I blame the guys who pass it to him because they should know better.

[Pimpwerx]

Right now the heat have a lot of issues game to game . Its really a **** storm. Point guard play is horrendous, bench never show up even at home, and rebounds is near comical. Guys, Chris is tired playing center. You can see it. Bosh is trying without trying because he is fed up. Players know their limitations. Nobody is playing free mind flowing ball because they are worry about rebounding.


The heat need put out they are looking at pg because Rio is garbage. Have you all notice the games Rio play well in is team with low IQ pg. That's why he feast on westbrook because he's another Rio just liitle more establish. Yes he can play sometimes, but he is holding back the evolution of Big 3 especially bron because he kept him from playing off the ball.

Ray Allen is delusional, and Coach Spo too. Stop trying to drive, and I think ray think of himself better than miller and battier when really he is not. He needs to sit a wait for the ball because he cannot guy by screen like he used to. Its so easy to stick with ray now he can't lose nobody.

Lebron is playing hurt and still playing 40 something min. Coach is OK coach and he yet to prove he can win games without bron. Why is Lewis and jj got now run. They couldn't be any worse than Rio, battier and Allen.

He took a team to the playoffs following a 15-win season...without Bron. The Raps and Wiz and Cavs would love to have that. Plus, for someone that can't win, he's only coached 12 games in 5 years where his team was below .500. I assume the Lakers are coming up on that total this season alone.

You say they have problems game-to-game. I say that's not a problem at all. Problems are the Lakers and their age/health. Knicks with their lack of scorers, and their age. If the current issues were real problems, they'd have been an issue from last season. The rotation is so similar that these problems/deficiencies would have had to have cropped up in the offseason. That or Ray is single-handedly bringing us down. I don't think either scenario is likely, so I'm not even worried.

Our last two losses have been to teams missing their stars. If that's got you worried, then get ready to bail out. If we can't beat teams missing their best players, we can't beat anyone, right? I don't know if anyone honestly believes that, so just chill and accept that we're gonna coast and drop some disappointing games. It is what it is. PEACE.

[ricochet]

Rio is slumping, but so what? When we needed him in the playoffs the last two season, he has produced. When we needed that 4th scorer, who could also help maintain our defense, he was the answer. He's unafraid of the big moment, and that is something you can't teach. He had a great game against OKC, right? Let him play through his issues. We have Cole to balance the PG rotation for now.

LOL @ the Joel complaints too. Isn't he the big people were saying we needed to play? Now that he's playing and not really fixing anything, we're willing to toss him aside too? Joel's the same player he's always been. This season he's gotten better offensively, but he's not really an impact big. His stat line tonight looks like his usual work. I'll have to watch the replay to get a better idea, but what was so wrong with his play tonight? PEACE.

He was..
He has regressed to the worst PG this season. We cannot hold on to sentiments and keep every one who plays like trash on this team. He is not a life-timer like Haslem who sacrificed a lot to say here. Success has gone to his head and he has regressed in almost every aspect. The HEAT are not a charity org to hold on to junk like him.

Joel plays well within his limitations.

[Pimpwerx]

He was..
He has regressed to the worst PG this season. We cannot hold on to sentiments and keep every one who plays like trash on this team. He is not a life-timer like Haslem who sacrificed a lot to say here. Success has gone to his head and he has regressed in almost every aspect. The HEAT are not a charity org to hold on to junk like him.

Joel plays well within his limitations.

2 postseasons in a row, Rio has had big games for us. He's only in his 4th season. He hasn't regressed, he's just in a slump. He saw noted and sustained improvement last year, right? It's not about being sentimental, it's about being realistic. First, we're not finding a better PG. Not one that can, you know, space the floor with shooting. Second, when he does break out of his slump, he's gonna be the critical 4th or 5th scorer that we need. He started the season really looking good as an actual PG. He's slumped a lot since then. He can regain that form. It was only a few months ago.

Also, let's not forget Rio tore a ligament or something in his hand, so that's probably got a lot to do with his off shooting of late.

Put it this way. When Wade was playing like **** most of last season and the playoffs, were you ready to give up on him? No. Was it just sentimentality keeping you on board? No. It was practicality. You know that when he breaks the slump, he's gonna be important for us. I see the same for Rio. PEACE.

[RexBoyWonder]

THis fan base hold some myths about Mario, and it might be time to break them.

"He's a great/good shooter" - no, not really. he's a career 35% from 3. that's not good. considering the fact that he's constantly getting the best open looks any PG in the league gets, playing next to the big 3 - 35% is even worst.

"he's a great fir here" - well, not really. a great fit would be a great defender that is also a great shooter. like we already saw, he's not a good shooter, and his D has fallen off a cliff, as it seems he slowed dowm and cant keep his man in front of him at all. (Cole is already much better defender).

"he's a big games player" - well, it depends how you look at it. can he sometimes play better (then his usall crappy play) in big games? sure. but a good player can play like all the time, or at least most of the time. Mario can play like that a few time a year. that's really not good enough. not for a starting PG on a contending team.

He keeps making dumb plays. he's not a rookie anymore, but it's not getting better. he can't create for himself or for others either. HE'S JUST NOT THAT GOOD OF A PLAYER.

He's 27, he's not getting any better anymore. he's a backup PG talent that overachived for a while and enjoyed playing next to great players that made him look better then he is...but it's time to get real. if we could keep him as a bench guy..that would be cool. but as a starter...he's really not cuting it.

[LeChosen1]

Some people seem to contradicting themselves on what they want Heats Role players to do.