Thoughts on a post Dec 15 deal

puppa bear · Post #101 » by **puppa bear** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:18 am

EscapoTHB wrote:I think we need a backup Sg, one less pg, and a center or pf to play with bosh.

Cole/Bird for Waiters/Haywood and our pick back would be a good deal imo. I dont want tt. His agent is rich paul and he wants a lot of money.

There are shots here for Waiters off the bench or when Wade is injured.

I'm happy with that, but they don't have our pick any more - traded it to Philly. They have their own (or Bulls, depending on which is worse), and Memphis' if it's in the 6-14 range.

gom · Post #102 » by **gom** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:12 am

Assumes that Granger continues to not have a game & it's really hard to propose this after such a great game yesterday by Cole, but that's part of the attraction for Minnesota.

All players on expiring contracts. Granger & Brewer have player options for next year. This gets us out of the contract and frees up space on the roster for Khem Birch or another player (Manny Harris, for example) with no real cost.

MIA: sends Cole & Granger
MIN: sends Brewer

Brewer is a good defending GF that can backup Wade and Deng with quality minutes. He is a bad 3 point shooter and not a great dribbler.

We weaken our PG position, but Cole isn't likely staying. We can extend a qualifying offer in June to keep Cole for about $3M, iirc, but Napier should get more minutes than he does if we want to see him improve. Also Chalmers should probably start at PG in the meantime, but come February, we should see more of Napier.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6533113

To the point that Minnesota already has 3 PG: One of them is Mo Williams who is incapable of playing defense and was out with back spasms against Portland. One is Zach Lavine who is a rookie (a good shot), and one of them is Ricky Rubio who is out indefinitely. They could use Cole.

Minnesota doesn't lose anything because Brewer is leaving anyhow. Brewer would play more for Miami than Cleveland or Houston.

I set up a poll:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1359842

Heat_team02 · Post #103 » by **Heat_team02** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:19 pm

Norris Cole $2,150,488 & cash for:

1) Elton Brand ATL 2mil salary
or
2) CJ Watson IND 2,077,000 salary
or
3) Kent Bazemore ATL 2mil salary
or
4) Shelvin Mack ATL 2,433,333 salary
or
5) Steve Blake POR 2.1 mil salary + 2nd Pick
or
6) John Salmons NOH 2mil salary + 2nd Pick

Norris Cole $2,150,488 & Justin Hamilton $816,482 + Cash for

7) Isaiah Canaan HOU $816,482 salary & Francisco Garcia HOU $1,316,809 salary

wAtChOut218 · Post #104 » by **wAtChOut218** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:00 pm

Whispers of Tim Hardaway JR for Norris Cole trade

Post #105 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:07 pm

*Buys Tim Hardaway JR Heat jersey online*

Noodle Arm · Post #106 » by **Noodle Arm** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:24 pm

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Although watchout has been...."off" a lot recently. I still have hope though! :lol:

Post #107 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:33 pm

Noodle Arm wrote:I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Although watchout has been...."off" a lot recently. I still have hope though!

What's great is that he posted it the exact moment that the ESPN article was posted about Hardaway having issues in NY. Good stuff.

As for his success rate, I've still got my unworn Bynum and Dalembert jerseys begging to be dusted off;)

He certainly keeps these boards entertaining. A lot of board members feed off his posts.

gom · Post #108 » by **gom** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:33 pm

wAtChOut218 wrote:Whispers of Tim Hardaway JR for Norris Cole trade

That's a trade New York wouldn't do. Norris Cole is an expiring contract.

Post #109 » by **DefenseWins** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:41 pm

gom wrote:
wAtChOut218 wrote:Whispers of Tim Hardaway JR for Norris Cole trade

That's a trade New York wouldn't do. Norris Cole is an expiring contract.

If they want cap space it's good for them

Teams who would only accept Cole is they want cap space next year and apparently NY next year will go after free agents, and Amare will expire. They will have some good cap space, they trying to go after Marc Gasol next year. Maybe Monroe

Post #110 » by **DefenseWins** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:42 pm

LMAO Melo told Tim Jr he would beat him up

They have issues

Tim Jr is a shooting guard, something we lack. Thing is he is a bonehead and bad defensivley

Alrigh so wolves, nets, Denver , NY, gonna have sme fire sales

Hope we get a something. I would like Thaddeus young man, dude is great. We need a C more than anything tho... Mozgov is a possibility

Heat_team02 · Post #111 » by **Heat_team02** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Hardaway Jr. makes $1.25 mil. with a team option in 2016. Cole makes $2.15 mil expiring after this season.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #112 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:38 pm

maybe something like cole and hamilton for corey brewer. that would be nice

Mars · Post #113 » by **Mars** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:04 pm

Juice Skolnick is guest hosting on The Ticket...

Just said he’s hearing the HEAT will be in the trade market once Dec 15th arrives. Says they’re monitoring Detroit’s situation with eyes on Greg Monroe.

Believes HEAT’s seriousness during trade deadline comes down to whether Riley wants to take on any contracts that extend past 2016.

JLop · Post #114 » by **JLop** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:06 pm

This is a different approach. At the end, it may be a terrible idea, so please, try to put yourself in my shoes and don't be so hard on me. Before you criticize let's find a way to make it work. Here we go. The Miami heat could make a trade with Boston for Rajon Rondo. We will have to give up some assets like Luol Deng and Josh McRoberts, and even some future draft picks (I leave it to you guys). The next step is to get rid of any contract that pays more than the minimum salary (with the exception of Udonis Haslem). Once it is done, for the upcoming season, we should convince Rajon Rondo and Marc Gasol to sign a multi-year contract with a base salary of $18 million each on their first year. So maybe Rondo and Gasol would take lower starting salaries and arrange to be on par (or close enough) with Bosh over the long run. The numbers for 2015-16 are now projected to be $66.5 million and $81.0 million, respectively. Knowing this, we already have Chris Bosh with $ 22,192,730; Rajon Rondo with $18,000,000; and Marc Gasol with $18,000,000 for a total of $58,192,730. Then Miami could use its remaining cap room to sign Dwyane. Now we need a big favor from Dwyane Wade: he has to use his player option and take a new contract for $15,000,000 (at least for a year). A key facet of bird rights: A team can go over the cap to re-sign players with the. If Dwyane Wade re-sign, Miami would retain his bird rights. Basically, this will allow us to go over the projected number of $66.5 million. Miami would then have to sign rookies and veterans willing to take minimum contracts to fill its roster (just for 2015-16). The Miami Heat will probably have to spend some extra cash (the taxes would be a concern). The good thing here is that it gets better for 2016-17. In a matter of one year, those contracts will become a bargain. And, there will be plenty of room to improve the roster and to sign a solid small forward.

Dwyane Wade ($15,000,000)
Marc Gasol ($18,000,000)
Rajon Rondo ($18,000,000)
Chris Bosh ($22,192,730)
James Ennis ($845,059)
Udonis Haslem ($2,854,940)
Shabazz Napier ($1,294,440)
Shawne Williams ($1,356,146)
Justin Hamilton ($1,147,276)
Hassan Whiteside ($981,348)
Andre Dawkins ($1,045,059)
A good veteran ($1,356,146)

RexBoyWonder · Post #115 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:16 pm

^ I don't have energy to explain all the reasons why (too many honestly), but that's totally impossible for a bunch of reasons including the CBA, realistic trade values, assuming players want to leave their home teams for us, assuming players taking paycuts for no reason, bad on court matching and a few other reasons too.

Mars · Post #116 » by **Mars** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:16 pm

Juice also doesn't believe Cole makes it past the trade deadline on the team.

Prince Ali · Post #117 » by **Prince Ali** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:18 pm

Do we even have the assets to go after a Greg Monroe?

Also I'm a big fan of lil Timmy let's go get him

RexBoyWonder · Post #118 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:22 pm

Mars wrote:Juice Skolnick is guest hosting on The Ticket...

Just said he’s hearing the HEAT will be in the trade market once Dec 15th arrives. Says they’re monitoring Detroit’s situation with eyes on Greg Monroe.

Believes HEAT’s seriousness during trade deadline comes down to whether Riley wants to take on any contracts that extend past 2016.

1. Greg is the best player we could realistically trade for (Still unlikely).
2. Inspite of that, he's not what we need next to bosh. He's not a defensive anchor, he wants his shots but he's not very efficient, he's better at PF then at Center. Also it will require some serious front office work to create enough cap space in order to keep him past this year.

Question is, do you go for the best player available despite a questionable fit?

Really not sure. You have to think long term here.

RexBoyWonder · Post #119 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:25 pm

Prince Ali wrote:Do we even have the assets to go after a Greg Monroe?

Also I'm a big fan of lil Timmy let's go get him

Depends what offers Pistons get for him. They're going to lose him this summer, so the'll move for something probably. Problem is he loses his bird right if traded, which makes him extremely difficult to re-sign long term once he becomes a FA (this summer). which kills his trade value. Just a strange spot to be in.

JLop · Post #120 » by **JLop** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:34 pm

Pistons turned down sign-and-trade opportunities for Greg Monroe. The president and coach requested All-Star caliber players in return, league sources told RealGM. According to Ira Winderman, "with Stephenson's $9 million salary, it would take a package of Josh McRoberts and Mario Chalmers from the Heat to make it work". Lance Stephenson and a first round pick in exchange for Monroe may convince Detroit of such a deal.