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I'd love Heat to be in PlayOffs, but it would be nice to stick it to PHI and get that 8.-10. pick. Next season, with Bosh hopefully back, and Dragic signed, Heat youngsters older and a top 10 rookie, Heat would be sweeet
But Go Heat anyway!!!
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EscapoTHB wrote:Why is Boston so good?! Ugh.
I think we should get used to it. I mentioned before we should savor any win against them because they would have a good team *next* year after their pick bonanza starts. Fast forward that.
Here are the reasons they have gotten so good so quickly:
1. Danny Ainge has a vision for the club. Like Riley he wants to contend every year, but Boston hasn't been in the playoffs since Paul Pierce & Kevin Garnett left in 2012-13 (they finished 7th). Last year Boston was miserable winning only about 25 games and was a lottery team, drafting Marcus Smart and James Young. From the 2012-3 team these are the players that remain: Brandon Bass, Avery Bradley (2010 pick), & Jared Sullinger (rookie). In the offseason newly drafted (by Dallas) Kelly Olynyk was added by trading Lucas Nogueira, their draft pick, and a future second rounder. Last year they added Marcus Smart and James Young. Since Smart began starting the Celtics have vastly improved. Ainge has also added players without prestige on other teams. Jonas Jerebko & Isaiah Thomas have come into the team to play major roles. Jerebkoās TS% is over 61%. Thomas has been really good, giving the team confidence that borders on swagger. Really, though, the bright future of this team has been at the expense of other teams (especially Brooklyn, Cleveland, & Phoenix) that have been outmaneuvered by Ainge.
2. Brad Stevens: Confident, makes players believe in each other, and play calling to win close games. Stevens has been very good this year. Note that the assist to turn over ratio is 1.8 to 1 since Jan 22. That means they are cohesive.
3. Unexpected Players Contributing a Lot!
Jonas Jerebko: 0.615 TS% (from Pistons in Tayshaun Prince trade)
Luige Datome: 0.607 TS% (from Pistons in Tayshaun Prince trade)
4. Key trades to bring players in:
Jonas Jerebko (from Pistons for Prince)
Luige Datome (from Pistons for Prince)
Isaiah Thomas (from Suns)
Jae Crowder from Dallas
Evan Turner (signed as Free Agent in Sept 2014)
Gerald Wallace (came over in the Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jason Terry trade. Boston also netted (VBG) 3 first round draft picks)
Tyler Zeller came over in the Marcus Thorton trade (who was later dealt to the Suns)
5. Good Draft Plays:
Marcus Smart: solid PG already, will improve greatly, focuses on defense, but his offensive game has improved a lot recently.
James Young: hasnāt played much but may still emerge as a star
Kelly Olynyk: Swapped for Lucas Nogueira and has been solid.
Many Future Draft Picks:
2015: Own pick, Clippers pick, PHL 2nd round, WAS 2nd round, DAL 2nd round (4-14)
2016: Own pick, BRK, MIN (13-30) or becomes 2nd round, MIA 2nd round, PHL 2nd round, CLE 2nd round, best of DAL & MEM 2nd round
2017: extra 1st and 2nd round picks too.
ā Next 2 Years of Pending Free Agency
2015 UFA: Jonas Jerebko, Brandon Bass
2015 RFA: Gigi Datome, Jae Crowder
2016 UFA: Evan Turner, Gerald Wallace
2016 RFA: Tyler Zeller, Jared Sullinger, Phil Pressey, Chris Babb
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Draft Origins of Players:
1st round: Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk, Marcus Smart, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Gerald Wallace, James Young, Tyler Zeller
2nd round: Brandon Bass, Jae Crowder, Jonas Jerebko, Isaiah Thomas
Undrafted: Chris Babb, Luige Datome, Phil Pressey
I remember 11-30 with these guys. ^
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Marcus smart - biggest flopper in the league - Rio*200
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Spoiler:
Sorry mate, the real answer is they're not good. They have a good coach, play hard but most importantly they're in the East of this year. That's it.
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RexBoyWonder wrote:Spoiler:
Sorry mate, the real answer is they're not good. They have a good coach, play hard but most importantly they're in the East of this year. That's it.
FWIW, almost all of my points were about how Ainge has set up the future of the club. Even if you dislike the Celtics, you have to realize that objectively they have played the GM game well.
They are 20-12 since we beat them in Miami the first time, Feb 2, and have beaten plenty of top notch teams. They've also lost to the Lakers though.
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The fact that we have owned the C's and Nets all season yet they'll still be the ones who will prob make the playoffs
Im joining the movement. its 4-0 or 0-4 for me. anything else then we're ****
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gom wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:Spoiler:
Sorry mate, the real answer is they're not good. They have a good coach, play hard but most importantly they're in the East of this year. That's it.
FWIW, almost all of my points were about how Ainge has set up the future of the club. Even if you dislike the Celtics, you have to realize that objectively they have played the GM game well.
Im not impressed, they haven't done **** yet.
As of right now, they're a bad team that wouldn't sniff the playoffs in a normal year in a normal conference.
Sure they did a nice job collecting draft picks, but the hard and tricky part is actually building a good team using said picks.
They have very little young talent in place (Not a fan of Smart/Olynyk) and most of their future picks are non lottery, not real game changers unless they draft extremely well. We'll see how they do the next couple of years, as of right now they did nothing worth admiring.
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gom wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:Spoiler:
Sorry mate, the real answer is they're not good. They have a good coach, play hard but most importantly they're in the East of this year. That's it.
FWIW, almost all of my points were about how Ainge has set up the future of the club. Even if you dislike the Celtics, you have to realize that objectively they have played the GM game well.
They are 20-12 since we beat them in Miami the first time, Feb 2, and have beaten plenty of top notch teams. They've also lost to the Lakers though.
How? They've gotten too competitive too fast and as such, won't be able to add any more talented pieces via the draft (which was their goal). Assuming they make the playoffs, they're looking at a bunch of mid-late firsts and second rounders to build the future of their team. Unless they hit a home run with one of those late picks, they just built a perennial 6-8th seed. Their "core" consists of a group of marginal role players, Smart (who they need to develop into a star but likely won't) and a 5'9 scoring guard.
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ugh .. Cavs sitting LeBron the next few games .. looks like he wants us to get the pick too!
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or they dont want to face us in the 1st round
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insfo wrote:or they dont want to face us in the 1st round
Whatever fear we used to provoke has long since dissipated. We are a bad team and would be first choice for most teams in the playoffs.
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RexBoyWonder wrote:gom wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:Sorry mate, the real answer is they're not good. They have a good coach, play hard but most importantly they're in the East of this year. That's it.
FWIW, almost all of my points were about how Ainge has set up the future of the club. Even if you dislike the Celtics, you have to realize that objectively they have played the GM game well.
Im not impressed, they haven't done **** yet.
As of right now, they're a bad team that wouldn't sniff the playoffs in a normal year in a normal conference.
Sure they did a nice job collecting draft picks, but the hard and tricky part is actually building a good team using said picks.
They have very little young talent in place (Not a fan of Smart/Olynyk) and most of their future picks are non lottery, not real game changers unless they draft extremely well. We'll see how they do the next couple of years, as of right now they did nothing worth admiring.
8 first round picks over 3 years, 20 million dollars worth of trade exemptions, and a team that is already looking competitive TWO years after trading Pierce & Garnett isn't impressive? They also have space in the salary cap to sign 2 max players of 6 years or fewer experience. That isn't impressive either? You guys are funny. You advocate tanking for a 10th pick in a draft and you don't see your own cognitive dissonance? Boston is getting the benefits of tanking without tanking. We should be so lucky.
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I'm not really worried about missing the Playoffs. What I'm worried about is not getting the pick if we do indeed miss the Playoffs. We have an old team already, throwing a season away and seeing them come back one year older isn't really what you'd want.
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SlowPaced wrote:I'm not really worried about missing the Playoffs. What I'm worried about is not getting the pick if we do indeed miss the Playoffs. We have an old team already, throwing a season away and seeing them come back one year older isn't really what you'd want.
We eventually will have to pay up anyway. I'm not convinced that next year will be better than this one so we may want the pick more even then. Who knows though? Maybe we can keep it next year too.
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gom wrote:SlowPaced wrote:I'm not really worried about missing the Playoffs. What I'm worried about is not getting the pick if we do indeed miss the Playoffs. We have an old team already, throwing a season away and seeing them come back one year older isn't really what you'd want.
We eventually will have to pay up anyway. I'm not convinced that next year will be better than this one so we may want the pick more even then. Who knows though? Maybe we can keep it next year too.
Having CB back next season triumphs this season in every way, also I'm positively sure Riley will get rid of some dead-weight and add some pieces as well.
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Besides, the next season is 2015-2016. Which means we'll be heading into the summer of 2016, where we're likely to try and sign some big names. It doesn't matter that much if we have the pick in 2016 Draft or not. However, 2015 Draft is a must if we do miss out on the Playoffs.
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gom wrote:Boston is getting the benefits of tanking without tanking.
Nailed it. Brooklyn might not make the playoffs next year, and who knows what team they'll put out for 2017 and 2018. Those are potential lottery picks. Watch out for that Dallas pick next year too. They won't re-sign Rondo, Dirk will be a year older, and apparently the Mavs are hesitant to pay Monta the money that he wants (he wants what Parsons is getting paid). Plus they play out West, where it's always tough to make the playoffs.
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Cheering for the Pacers, Celtics, and Nets to drop a couple in a row. Stranger things have happened.
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gom wrote:Cheering for the Pacers, Celtics, and Nets to drop a couple in a row. Stranger things have happened.
Even if they did, what are the odds that we win 3 in a row?
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