PGT: Blazers at Bucks

[SupremeHustle]

GET HEALTHY MICHAEL REDD!

[Jammo29]

Salmons: The reason this game was lost. You don't shoot 2-14 and miss 10 in a row, along with offering NOTHING else. He was garbage from start to finish and every time the team looked like it might go on a bit of a run he stepped up to brick a shot and put a stop to that.

Gooden: His numbers look awful but he was playing with some effort on D and passing the ball, that's all I really want out of him.

Bogut: **** game. He had way more than 1 turnover, should've had 10-12 points the first quarter. Didn't rebound particuarly well. He looks heavy, slow and passive. It is frustrating as hell to see other C's taking steps forward while Bogut's apparently running in place or going backwards. I also don't mention his injury because he shoots with his left hand so it has no impact on that, and his left-handed shots have looked bad. At least his shot blocking is still there though.

Jennings: Right in there behind Salmons. 2-7 shooting, 6 turnovers... just not good enough. The back-up PG isn't good enough for Jennings to be playing like this.

Delfino: Good game. Few dumb mistakes but he's the only person really earning his roster spot night in and night out.

Maggete: YOU. SHOOT. TOO. MUCH. He got to the line 8 times which is great, but 12 shots in 17 minutes?

Anyway, onto the next one.

I think the injury needs to be referenced in regards to his general conditioning. It's clear he's not 'match fit' yet, and that will affect the way he moves but also the intensity that he will play with at times. I don't know how long this will still be an issue but i would have thought that it least the first month of the season we are going to see a slower than usual Bogut.

[Buck You]

Just a terrible game. Portland is a better team than us but losing like that, no excuse. Salmons was so bad, I think he needs to not play as much until he is in game shape because right now he's not helping the team at all. Brockman hustles but he's pretty useless, he's too small for his position. I still think the team will be alright but right now they are playing like garbo.

[Ayt]

40 wins?

[verticalhops]

I know we lost and all, but something positive on the side note.... TA18 has finally been suspended, the serial Bogut versus Wade, Bogut versus Carmello thread maker

[Nebula1]

These losses are why you can't lose to Minnesota.

[blkout]

I know we lost and all, but something positive on the side note.... TA18 has finally been suspended, the serial Bogut versus Wade, Bogut versus Carmello thread maker

Thank God. Something good to happen today.

[Buck You]

Also, the team really misses CDR imo. We could really use him off the bench.

[NerdsterBuck]

Wow this team is horrible. Chicago without Boozer were able to beat the Blazers. The Bucks on the other hand were well rested. I think the signing of Gooden and the trade of Maggette were just horrible on the management part. Two guys that were never known to be good defenders. I haven't seen Maggette jump to challenge shooters, or become passionate on the defensive end. Also not liking the double down defense, as we are being murdered the 3's.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Too many of the same type of players.

AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL THIS...you dont want to hear it or read it but this team needed a guy like Michael Redd tonite who could hit shots.

I would not have signed Salmons. Hell, we might have been better off with Bell and Gadzuric and just gotten Dooling and Gooden and kept all our draft picks.

Wrong mix...

[paul]

Too bad we weren't the team with a pair to throw a contract at Wes Matthews...Hope Salmons gets healthy and can play well this year, because without him we are screwed.

Wes got found on a few cuts for some WIDE open layups that made his line look decent, but he really didn't play very well and that remains a pretty awful deal at this stage, time will tell how it pans out.


Anyway we are legitimately playing like one of the worst handful of teams in the league right now. They need to turn this sh*t around or we're going to find ourselves in a big hole in a big hurry.

Bogut was passive and couldn't catch the ball (should have had another TO as well), I still think we aren't going to him nearly enough in the post though. Without question our best offense last season stemmed from him catching on the low block - I don't know if Skiles thought it would just happen with the new guys but he needs to ditch the Gooden/Salmons iso crap and get back to what works. His D was OK.

Jennings looked awful tonight. He was biting on pump fakes from Miller and gave some really really sh*t passes.

Salmons is a liability until he gets in shape. He's hurting FAR more than he's helping, CDR going down is our biggest problem right now.

Delfino another good game, though got torched a bit on D in the 2nd and 3rd.

Gooden both good and bad. Though the good was only OK and the bad was pretty bad.

Maggette shot too much, but hell someone other than Salmons had to.

[turbo2k]

Gooden: His numbers look awful but he was playing with some effort on D and passing the ball, that's all I really want out of him.

Was going to post how there was too much Gooden hate in the GT (shocking I know), but I was surprised to read someone give him some credit. In all honesty, from what I saw, he was 1 of our better players tonight. Pleasantly surprised by his D.
Overall, not nearly as down as everyone else, I am expecting us to continue to struggle for a couple weeks. Salmons back will be key. Hopefully Skiles can tone down Mags jump shooting a bit. Everything else is going about as expected TBH, other than Salmons play which I thought would start coming around by now. So far this season as I see it:
Pleasantly surprised by: Jennings overall play does seem improved, would like to see him penetrate more frequently. LRMAM's offense has also looked improved over last season, which would make me a very happy fan. Gooden's D has not been nearly as bad as was initially expected or as bad as most people have been complaining about on this board, I would put it at around average D (with times where he does dip below average, hardly ever above average). And of course Delfino
Dissappointed by: Mags overall, D has been terrible at times (much worse than Gooden), chucking jumpers and 3pts (I thought he had quit those last year?), Dooling = rubbish, Salmons has been BAAAADDD, Ersan has been no where, Gooden's O is much worse than I was expecting, I am hoping Skiles will beat some of it out of him.
As expected: Brockman, Sanders, Bogut, Team lacking chemistry both on D and O, THIS WILL TAKE TIME PEOPLE!
Season projection: Still where I was in the offseason, between 46-48 wins. If this team can click, it will be good.

[paul]

Just a terrible game. Portland is a better team than us but losing like that, no excuse. Salmons was so bad, I think he needs to not play as much until he is in game shape because right now he's not helping the team at all. Brockman hustles but he's pretty useless, he's too small for his position. I still think the team will be alright but right now they are playing like garbo.

Portland should NOT be a better team than us, that shouldn't just be a throwaway line used as an excuse. We are built to win today, there should be MAYBE 4 teams in the entire league we can dismiss as being just a better team than us. This isn't last season.

[pasting_monkeys]

Also, the team really misses CDR imo. We could really use him off the bench.

Couldn't agree more, would have loved to see him in there instead of Salmons.

[Prince12]

Just a horrible game to watch barring the first five minutes..offense was horrible and d was slow..so much we need to improve wont even bother going through it all.

Im really worried about our PG backup though i was never really happy with Dooling anyway but man i dont wna see him or Earl on the court at any time but when BJ is having a bad one thats who we are left with major problem..no real back up center and just a bunch of guys who cant shoot..

I still have faith in this team to be better then last years but early on this year our weaknesses are being shown up a hell of a lot more then they did last couple months of 09-10..

[tyland]

This team seems to be going as Salmons goes at the moment. As we have no adequate back-up behind Salmons at present with CDR injured, we are really struggling. Hopefully Salmons hits form sooner rather than later.

Still waiting for Dooling and Maggette to click in the system. Part of me thinks we may need to start Moute at the 4 and let Corey and Drew be our offense off the bench. A rotation along the lines of:

Bogut - Gooden/Brockman
Moute - Ersan/Gooden
Del3no - Maggette
Salmons - Maggette/Dooling
Jennings - Dooling/Boykins

At least until Salmons is healthy and CDR is back with the team.

The disruptive pre-season is really taking it's toll now. Lack of conditioning, rusty shooting, depth issues. Going to be a slow start it appears

[fabio]

Salmons: The reason this game was lost. You don't shoot 2-14 and miss 10 in a row, along with offering NOTHING else. He was garbage from start to finish and every time the team looked like it might go on a bit of a run he stepped up to brick a shot and put a stop to that.

Gooden: His numbers look awful but he was playing with some effort on D and passing the ball, that's all I really want out of him.

Bogut: **** game. He had way more than 1 turnover, should've had 10-12 points the first quarter. Didn't rebound particuarly well. He looks heavy, slow and passive. It is frustrating as hell to see other C's taking steps forward while Bogut's apparently running in place or going backwards. I also don't mention his injury because he shoots with his left hand so it has no impact on that, and his left-handed shots have looked bad. At least his shot blocking is still there though.

Jennings: Right in there behind Salmons. 2-7 shooting, 6 turnovers... just not good enough. The back-up PG isn't good enough for Jennings to be playing like this.

Delfino: Good game. Few dumb mistakes but he's the only person really earning his roster spot night in and night out.

Maggete: YOU. SHOOT. TOO. MUCH. He got to the line 8 times which is great, but 12 shots in 17 minutes?

Anyway, onto the next one.

I agree with everything but Delfino's view. I don't consider he was a reason for the loss, BUT I think he has some responsibility, as weird as it sounds. I mean, it was pretty clear Jennings wouldn't give him the ball even if his life was on it, but he has options to shoot, and he didn't take those. I mean, come on, game is going down the drain, you're the most effective player in the roster, grow some balls and shoot, try to glue the team and carry it over your shoulders. If from the 26 shots Salmons and Maggette took for a whooping 6-26 he had shot only 5-6, I think we'd be telling a different story.
This is something we always blamed Carlos about, and I really thought he was all over it, but it seems he has relapses, so to speak

What you didn't mention about Salmons and Maggette and was what really drove me nuts was the absolute lack of D. I know they aren't good defenders, but I'm pretty sure I never saw such an amazing display of lack of D from them, not a single time

on a side note, I assume Miller and Johnson are also bad match-ups, same as DJ Augustine was

[turbo2k]

Oh but Portland is a better team than us until we gel, don't get why this is making everyone mad. Lot's of new faces and injuries to deal with. I AM dissappointed by the seemingly low effort by some of the guys though.

Anyone know what tonights attendance was? Was it really as bad as some of the people were saying?

[Prince12]

These losses are why you can't lose to Minnesota.

Agreed thats why i started that 'slow start' thread couple weeks ago.
I could see this was going to happen although i probably assumed wed start 4-3 (after the NO home game)
but right now we will probably be 2-5 maybe 3-4 if were lucky so with the rugged December coming up we doo not wna let this slide to long

[trwi7]

It's listed as 13,087, but it didn't even look close to that.