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Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#1 » by europa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:47 pm

This was posted in the lotto thread but I didn't think it should get buried there. This is just a rumor but here's the info coming from a radio guy in Minnesota:

Sounds like one of MANY deals that has been discussed: 2 for Bogut & 10. No clue who initiated. Remember, one of many talked about. #Twolves

Good chance there would be other parts. AGAIN, one of many discussed. RT @mattdeedrick: @DarrenWolfson what else would #wolves give up?

Can't stress enough based on replies: Teams are talking moves constantly. The talks w/ Milwaukee = one of many possible outcomes next week.

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/06/17/q ... w.bogut.10

As I posted in the lotto thread, I think Bogut/10 for 2 is giving up too much. My offer would be Bogut for 2 straight up or Bogut/10 for 2/20/future first or a decent player.
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Post#2 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:49 pm

I wouldn't love the deal, but I'd do it.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#3 » by europa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:50 pm

Credit to Bogutneedsball for the original info in the lotto thread.

If I had to speculate, my guess is - assuming the rumor is true - the T'Wolves initiated this which is why the 10th pick is being mentioned as well as Bogut. I would be surprised if the Bucks would offer up Bogut and the 10th pick.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#4 » by BUCKnation » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:50 pm

europa wrote:This was posted in the lotto thread but I didn't think it should get buried there. This is just a rumor but here's the info coming from a radio guy in Minnesota:

Sounds like one of MANY deals that has been discussed: 2 for Bogut & 10. No clue who initiated. Remember, one of many talked about. #Twolves

Good chance there would be other parts. AGAIN, one of many discussed. RT @mattdeedrick: @DarrenWolfson what else would #wolves give up?

Can't stress enough based on replies: Teams are talking moves constantly. The talks w/ Milwaukee = one of many possible outcomes next week.

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/06/17/q ... w.bogut.10

As I posted in the lotto thread, I think Bogut/10 for 2 is giving up too much. My offer would be Bogut for 2 straight up or Bogut/10 for 2/20/future first or a decent player.

that would be terrible. There would need to be other parts from the wolves. Im not sure i would do bogut for 2 straight up, much less give up 10
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#5 » by Jollay » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:50 pm

I agree. Too much.

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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#6 » by Fight the Tank » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:51 pm

What if the filler is Pekovic and Wes Johnson? I jump all over that.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#7 » by Chuck Diesel » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:51 pm

I'd ask for Nikola Pekovic and Anthony Randolph to be included...and then still probably turn it down.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#8 » by europa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:52 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Im not sure i would do bogut for 2 straight up, much less give up 10


In terms of talent, it's a slam-dunk awful trade for the Bucks - and I like Williams. Bogut is vastly superior. I think you'd do the trade if you basically just want to try something new. That's the only reason I see for doing it. But given how great the talent disparity is between Bogut and Williams in my opinion, there's no way I would include the 10th pick without getting back what I wrote. I think Bogut/10 for 2 is a pretty poor trade for the Bucks.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#9 » by trwi7 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:52 pm

I don't want to give up the 10 but this would actually signal a direction and probable rebuild for the Bucks so I'd do it.
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Post#10 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:53 pm

Seems like too much but I'm all for anything that blows things up. Sometimes you have to roll the dice. After 3 years the "Hammond plan" isn't working.
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Post#11 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:54 pm

trwi7 wrote:I don't want to give up the 10 but this would actually signal a direction and probable rebuild for the Bucks so I'd do it.


Yup. We'd be terrible next season, and I'm more than fine with that.
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Post#12 » by Newz » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:55 pm

I would definitely be in favor of this.
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Post#13 » by Fight the Tank » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:55 pm

For some reason I feel like we would get the 2nd pick and take Kanter. I would absolutely hate that.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#14 » by shaolin34 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:57 pm

I would not trade Bogut + Brooks/Biyombo/Burks/Thompson/whoever for either Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter. Absolutely not. I would not trade Bogut by himself for just Williams or Kanter either.

As Minnesota and Milwaukee fans have discussed to death on the trade board, Bogut for 2 + other assets has some real potential. It's just a matter of determining what those other assets are.

The good news if this rumor has some legs is that it means Milwaukee HAS to be considering a rebuild. No way would we trade Bogut if we wanted to make the playoffs next year.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#15 » by Jollay » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:57 pm

Blowing things up is not in the cards until at least next offseason, or the trading deadline. And if you are going to blow things up, you deal Bogut for expirings and add a pick, don't trade up to #2 in a draft without a "tier 1" player.

Jury's still out for me on Hammond but this would be worse than just about anything he's done so far, IMO.
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Post#16 » by europa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:59 pm

shaolin34 wrote:The good news if this rumor has some legs is that it means Milwaukee HAS to be considering a rebuild.


Not necessarily. I think it's very possible Kahn is the one who made this offer. Again, I can't see the Bucks offering up both Bogut and the 10th pick. That's terrible value for Bogut in my opinion. People have been critical of how Hammond has handled his "assets." A trade like this (assuming nothing else of significance was coming back to the Bucks) would be by far his worst trade in terms of value received.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#17 » by trwi7 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:00 pm

Jollay wrote:Blowing things up is not in the cards until at least next offseason, or the trading deadline.


Why? You're just delaying the inevitable while worsening your pick if you wait until the trade deadline or next offseason.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#18 » by showtimesam » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:00 pm

The trade that would work for both teams is:

Bogut/Salmons/Ersan

for:

Darko/Ridnour/Wes Johnson/ pick number 2

Bucks take Williams and draft burks or thompson and get jump started on a great rebuild:

Jennings/Ridnour
Burks/Delfino
Johnson/Delfino
Wiliams/Sanders
Milicic/Gooden

Plus the Twolves become MUCH better:
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#19 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:02 pm

I'm all in on a Bogut trade but am not going to do it if we also have to give up #10.

I think Minny wins that deal if it is Bogut for #2 even up, much less including #10. We need #10 if we trade Bogut because the rebuild will have started.

That said, Hammond needs to be all over this with Kahn. At the end of the day, as BNB offered up, #2/Peck/Wes for Bogut is fine with me. That is fair value IMO.
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Re: Rumor: Bogut/10 To T'Wolves For 2 

Post#20 » by Newz » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:03 pm

showtimesam wrote:Bogut/Salmons/Ersan

for:

Darko/Ridnour/Wes Johnson/ pick number 2



That trade is horrible for Minnesota.

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