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Post#196 » by AussieBuck » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:27 pm

Just looked up Trey Burke. That's a sexy set of numbers other than the meh steals numbers.
aol4532 wrote:what exactly is the difference between him (Bill Russell), and say a guy like Ryan Hollins, who is 20 lbs heavier and can get his head over the rim? He would get in foul trouble so quick, just trying to hold position.
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Post#197 » by The Wet Whistle » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:33 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Just looked up Trey Burke. That's a sexy set of numbers other than the meh steals numbers.

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Post#198 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:37 pm

I mean i guess I mean Jennings in the sense that he shoots too many threes and he really doesn't get into the lane much. That's where I don't get the Lawson thing. He is elite at getting to the lane and drawing fouls. Burke is pretty meh in that sense. On NBAdraft.net and Draftexpress he's outside of 15 so I guess that's what I was looking at but I guess we'll see where he ends up at the end of the year. I like 1-10 a lot, I like Burke and I like a couple second round type guys but the rest of the draft doesn't do much for me.
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Post#199 » by The Wet Whistle » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:38 pm

mattg wrote:Draft express is notoriously bad/slow updating things in season, so take their mocks and whatnot with a grain of salt.

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mattg wrote: Burke is a really capable scorer(check his efficiency)

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Post#200 » by AussieBuck » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:46 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:I mean i guess I mean Jennings in the sense that he shoots too many threes and he really doesn't get into the lane much. That's where I don't get the Lawson thing. He is elite at getting to the lane and drawing fouls. Burke is pretty meh in that sense. On NBAdraft.net and Draftexpress he's outside of 15 so I guess that's what I was looking at but I guess we'll see where he ends up at the end of the year. I like 1-10 a lot, I like Burke and I like a couple second round type guys but the rest of the draft doesn't do much for me.

Lawson and Jennings have been very similar at FGA at the rim and FTA over their careers. Lawson doesn't finish like a lady though.
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Post#201 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:50 pm

Burke has a lot of the same problems converting in the lane from what I've seen.

Edit - I haven't seen a ton of him this season, only a few games, but last season I watched quite a bit and that was the case.
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Post#202 » by AussieBuck » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:59 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Burke has a lot of the same problems converting in the lane from what I've seen.

Edit - I haven't seen a ton of him this season, only a few games, but last season I watched quite a bit and that was the case.

Well he has gone from a 50eFG% to 60. Also I knew Lawson was struggling but I didn't know he was having an Ellis season. He's completely forgotten how to shoot the ball:
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Ty%20Lawson
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Post#203 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:23 am

Lotto watch could get interesting. Pistons could take a leap if they start giving Drummond legit starter minutes. Bynum coming back gives Philly a boost, and now New Orleans is winning.
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Post#204 » by VooDoo7 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:32 am

If Bynum comes back. And if he does, how long til he goes back out with that knee.

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Post#205 » by mattg » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:48 am

To also play devils advocate, there isn't much of a chance that Ellis plays worse for us, thus we could start winning more. You can't get worse than atrocious, though you never know when you have it all.
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Post#206 » by Nebula1 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:57 pm

DrugBust wrote:Lotto watch could get interesting. Pistons could take a leap if they start giving Drummond legit starter minutes. Bynum coming back gives Philly a boost, and now New Orleans is winning.


If Toronto gets Rudy Gay, they should improve as well.
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Post#207 » by Nebula1 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:00 pm

Chad Ford's Big Board:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... -prospects


1 Noel
2 Muhammad
3 McLemore
4 Len
5 Bennett
6 Zeller
7 Porter
8 MCW
9 Smart
10 Poythress
11 Goodwin
12 Plumlee
13 Austin
14 McCollum
15 Gobert
16 Saric
17 Burke
18 Franklin
19 Mitchell
20 McAdoo
21 Young
22 Adams
23 Withey
24 Cauley-Stein
25 Robinson III
26 Oladipo
27 Kabongo
28 Leslie
29 Brown
30 Dieng


Ford is usually pretty solid when it comes to actual draft. I think Leslie is a little low and would be great value at 28. Still I wouldn't want to be outside the top 12.

Bucks still with a shot at Goodwin. (Bucks currently 15th)
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Post#208 » by LUKE23 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:16 pm

Wonder how good of a pro Big Dog's kid will be. Sporting 12.4 ppg @ .651 TS right now. I like Burke as well.
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Post#209 » by The Wet Whistle » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:20 pm

Looks like McLemore got a HUGE boost in the rankings. He has looked good so I guess its warranted. I don't think I have MCW as high as Ford does and admittedly I know nothing about Len.
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Post#210 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:53 am

Really like Burke. I would love to get him.
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Post#211 » by mattg » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:24 am

LUKE23 wrote:Wonder how good of a pro Big Dog's kid will be. Sporting 12.4 ppg @ .651 TS right now. I like Burke as well.

I think he's gonna be real good honestly. Might end up having a more impactful career than his dad. Think he's got a better floor game than his pops.
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Post#212 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:33 am

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LUKE23 wrote:Wonder how good of a pro Big Dog's kid will be. Sporting 12.4 ppg @ .651 TS right now. I like Burke as well.

I think he's gonna be real good honestly. Might end up having a more impactful career than his dad. Think he's got a better floor game than his pops.

He reminds me of Deng without the great defense (still adequate though) but with better athleticism.
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Post#213 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:43 am

I too wouldn't be surprised if Big Dog's kid has a better career, or at least a longer career. He is a lot more athletic and seems to be a better all around player, which should make him more impactful even though he doesn't have the silky midrange game.
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Post#214 » by mattg » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:54 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
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LUKE23 wrote:Wonder how good of a pro Big Dog's kid will be. Sporting 12.4 ppg @ .651 TS right now. I like Burke as well.

I think he's gonna be real good honestly. Might end up having a more impactful career than his dad. Think he's got a better floor game than his pops.

He reminds me of Deng without the great defense (still adequate though) but with better athleticism.

I think he's got more perimeter ability and skill than deng. He could probably play the 2 in the nba.
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Post#215 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:00 am

mattg wrote:I think he's got more perimeter ability and skill than deng. He could probably play the 2 in the nba.

It's possible it develops but I'd say his perimeter ability is more similar to Deng at this point then say a Paul George (who was another player I contemplated comparing him to).
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