Hammond Comments: Boston Model?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

he gave the return on ray allen, and the pick that became taj gibson to get them. go ahead and give the guy an award for his amazing lateral moves to fill out the roster if you want to. i know presti is a god to you. lets just move on.

I'm not the one saying crazy things here. Lets remember that you are a person that has lauded the work Hammond has done to ridiculous levels, even though we're well under .500 under his watch, and are now taking all the work Presti has done and basically boiling it all down to luck. I'm fine moving on, just stop saying ridiculous ****.

i was going to move on until you called what i say ridiculous sht. thats low man!

see you in the game thread. we win this then 5-2 and hammond for prez

[randy84]

I think the big point that people are missing on this is that two different approaches were taken by the Thunder and the Celtics at the same time.

Thunder decided to blow it up and built through draft, Celtics decided to built a team by trading for veterans.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

joking about hammond btw... i like him alright but when i see him monday night im gonna lay into him a bit if i get the chance.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I think the big point that people are missing on this is that two different approaches were taken by the Thunder and the Celtics at the same time.

Thunder decided to blow it up and built through draft, Celtics decided to built a team by trading for veterans.

thats been our biggest mistake. weve not tanked, and weve gone for 2nd rate vets by not offering players AND picks. weve been straddling the fence.

[DocHoliday]

thats been our biggest mistake. weve not tanked, and weve gone for 2nd rate vets by not offering players AND picks. weve been straddling the fence.

You mean like giving the Bobcats the 7th pick in the draft AND Maggette for Jax and the 19th pick?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

thats been our biggest mistake. weve not tanked, and weve gone for 2nd rate vets by not offering players AND picks. weve been straddling the fence.

You mean like giving the Bobcats the 7th pick in the draft AND Maggette for Jax and the 19th pick?

we could have gone bigger than that. we could have offered maggette/ #7/ ersan / and a future pick....or bogut/ #7...... go for a move the way houston did. get a bigtime player.

i dont think we offered enough and thats why we got back guys like jackson. jackson was trash but whats weird is he really wasnt just the year before. he was monta level just older.

[Baddy Chuck]

jackson was trash but whats weird is he really wasnt just the year before. he was monta level just older.

He was a lot worse here but he was a ridiculously high usage player with bad shooting percetanges in Charlotte. There's a reason why guys like Maggette, Jackson, Monta etc can't replicate previous numbers with us, they can't play team basketball.

[CanadaBucks]

You mean like giving the Bobcats the 7th pick in the draft AND Maggette for Jax and the 19th pick?

Was this not a three way trade? Because if it wasn't you would have to give him huge credit for turning Salmons and 10 into beno and 7 right? I think ina ll truth we never had 7, we essentially traded Salmons, maggette and 10 for Jax, Beno and 19. I'll agree that if he doesn't sign Maggette and Salmons this trade is not made but let's not leave out half of the picture

[bizarro]

Besides drafting Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, trading Green for Perkins, and trading a mid 20's 1st for an elite wing defender in Sefolosha, and amassing multiple 1sts wherever possible, I agree, Presti has done very little of significant impact.

No doubt OKC has done it the right way, also liking how Cleveland is doing it now.

But, OKC also got lucky, which is OK… If OKC gets Beasley rather than Durant, they’re no better than Denver & Utah- two other teams doing it right but not lucky enough to land a franchise player.

I think this is another feather in the cap of OKC and it is also a testament to getting the right pick in the right draft. If you look at who Cleveland has drafted beyond Kyrie - who like Durant was the unanimous choice in their slot - they've reached in a draft with sub-par talent. OKC wisely selected Westbrook and Harden. Yes, as Sigra pointed out, they could have drafted Love who is a complete stud BUT then they lack an elite PG.

Thompson was and is a reach. Though it was a weaker draft, they could have potentially traded back and/or selected a different player. Who that player is, well, it's a tough sell. Do you really select Leonard @ 4 or Klay Thompson...potentially, Valenciunas. Waiter was a complete reach. Though he has had a couple nice shooting nights I really don't like his game alongside Kyrie. I would have preferred any one of Lillard, Drummond, Ross or Barnes at that slot.

I think, in the end, OKC was wise with their picks AND they had the picks in quality drafts AND they had a bit of luck...for example, in 2009 Memphis selected Thabeet

[DocHoliday]

You mean like giving the Bobcats the 7th pick in the draft AND Maggette for Jax and the 19th pick?

Was this not a three way trade? Because if it wasn't you would have to give him huge credit for turning Salmons and 10 into beno and 7 right? I think ina ll truth we never had 7, we essentially traded Salmons, maggette and 10 for Jax, Beno and 19. I'll agree that if he doesn't sign Maggette and Salmons this trade is not made but let's not leave out half of the picture

It didn't need to be a 3 way trade, and yes the trade of Salmons+10 for Beno+7 was an AMAZING trade, which makes the trade with the Bobcats look like even more of a colossal failure. The potential of Tobias is really the only thing that keeps it from being a complete bust. Also we didn't sign Maggette, that was another Hammond trade bust.

[CanadaBucks]

You mean like giving the Bobcats the 7th pick in the draft AND Maggette for Jax and the 19th pick?

Was this not a three way trade? Because if it wasn't you would have to give him huge credit for turning Salmons and 10 into beno and 7 right? I think ina ll truth we never had 7, we essentially traded Salmons, maggette and 10 for Jax, Beno and 19. I'll agree that if he doesn't sign Maggette and Salmons this trade is not made but let's not leave out half of the picture

It didn't need to be a 3 way trade, and yes the trade of Salmons+10 for Beno+7 was an AMAZING trade, which makes the trade with the Bobcats look like even more of a colossal failure. The potential of Tobias is really the only thing that keeps it from being a complete bust. Also we didn't sign Maggette, that was another Hammond trade bust.

My bad, I do remember the deal...Gadz and Bell for Maggette.

[paulpressey25]

What evidence of Hammond's 'basketball smarts' are there other than his decent drafting?

That interview snippet sounds like Hammond trying to say that I've sucked for five years because my owner wants me to win now and win later. He's auditioning for his next job, realizing that others in the league will read that interview but probably not Kohl.

The problem I have is that he really did a bad job of trying to "win now" for years. He completely misunderstood the salary cap ramifications of trades early on and boxed us in big time. Nor was he creative in initiating trades as most everything "presented itself" to him. He wasted mid level assets like crazy and each year brought in a crappy overpaid wing. And he never acquired a good backup center save for inadvertently lucking into Kurt Thomas for one year as a salary throw in when he needed to jettison his guy RJ.

So now that the win around Redd and Bogut plan that he was a core architect of went down in flames he's looking to claim it went down because he wasn't allowed to tank, which doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless you want to load a straw man in there for your future job.

His potential saving grace is that maybe he's on to something here with the current team. I've been pretty happy with his moves since the Bogut trade.

[CanadaBucks]

What evidence of Hammond's 'basketball smarts' are there other than his decent drafting?

That interview snippet sounds like Hammond trying to say that I've sucked for five years because my owner wants me to win now and win later. He's auditioning for his next job, realizing that others in the league will read that interview but probably not Kohl.

The problem I have is that he really did a bad job of trying to "win now" for years. He completely misunderstood the salary cap ramifications of trades early on and boxed us in big time. Nor was he creative in initiating trades as most everything "presented itself" to him. He wasted mid level assets like crazy and each year brought in a crappy overpaid wing. And he never acquired a good backup center save for inadvertently lucking into Kurt Thomas for one year as a salary throw in when he needed to jettison his guy RJ.

So now that the win around Redd and Bogut plan that he was a core architect of went down in flames he's looking to claim it went down because he wasn't allowed to tank, which doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless you want to load a straw man in there for your future job.

His potential saving grace is that maybe he's on to something here with the current team. I've been pretty happy with his moves since the Bogut trade.

When my other team's GM is Bryan Colangelo, Hammond looks a lot better than he really is.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

OKC got soaked in that deal though. Allen and Big Baby for West, Sczerbiak and Jeff Green plus a 2nd whose name I can't remember. That's almost a worse fleecing than the Bucks got when trading Allen.

No they didn't. Every deal they made....worked. Wally was flipped and they traded Green to and got something later on. The second pick could have been Eric Maynor too.

They didn't get fleeced.

If Hammond wanted to do it right he would not have made all those trades 3 years and get all those second round picks and then sell them and lose them. Those were assets he blew.

He did flip Alexander, Hobson, Gallon, and sold Jordan and wasted Meeks....there is your assets right there. You can't have it both ways.

Some teams can rebuild in a weak conference like the Pacers and Sixers and STILL WIN if you scout well and know what you are doing and use yoru players right and have vision in seeing the league is going small.

No way in the world in the weak ass East you should not have built a solid winner by now with all the picks we had. Hammond always thinks that you will automatically LOSE just because you are going young and then he pancis and tries to outsmart himself and us by bringing in bad contracts and scrub vets who take time from his young players getting better.

Once you got Jennings and were handing him the keys from day 1 EVERYTHING SHOULD HAVE CHANGED when you knew Redd was coming off the books and Bogut couldn't stay healthy. But the Bucks waited too long when teams like OKC Memphis, Philly, and the Pacers were pro-active.

Never waste time with plodding Centers who do not expand their games. NEVER draft a Center #1 overall just because he is a 7 footer...Never. They abandoned their plan and brought in stop gaps Maggette, Salmons, and Stackhouse, and Gooden, and others too early!

It doesn't take "luck" it takes VISION and a Plan, and Purposeful Perserverance. Do one or the other. Do not do what he says here: "

"The projection for our team going into the season is, if they don't have us as a playoff team, they have us right at the cusp of being in the playoffs. So we're still trying to serve two masters, to be honest with you.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

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What evidence of Hammond's 'basketball smarts' are there other than his decent drafting?

That interview snippet sounds like Hammond trying to say that I've sucked for five years because my owner wants me to win now and win later. He's auditioning for his next job, realizing that others in the league will read that interview but probably not Kohl.

The problem I have is that he really did a bad job of trying to "win now" for years. He completely misunderstood the salary cap ramifications of trades early on and boxed us in big time. Nor was he creative in initiating trades as most everything "presented itself" to him. He wasted mid level assets like crazy and each year brought in a crappy overpaid wing. And he never acquired a good backup center save for inadvertently lucking into Kurt Thomas for one year as a salary throw in when he needed to jettison his guy RJ.

So now that the win around Redd and Bogut plan that he was a core architect of went down in flames he's looking to claim it went down because he wasn't allowed to tank, which doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless you want to load a straw man in there for your future job.

His potential saving grace is that maybe he's on to something here with the current team. I've been pretty happy with his moves since the Bogut trade.

When my other team's GM is Bryan Colangelo, Hammond looks a lot better than he really is.

No no no no no....you dont know what you are saying. THE ONLY REASON....the Raptors are not better is because they couldn't or did not trade Chris Bosh when they could have got something for him.

That is the ONLY reason. But he was a big wuss and would not committ because he knew he was going to bolt at the end of the year to stack in Miami or New York.

They should have traded him them...but didin't. That was their mistake. He Bosh was better then Bogut so they could have got more for him and been set up pretty nice.