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What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis?

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Your Preference on What Happens With Monta Ellis

He is traded by the 12-13 deadline in a win now playoff move
27
21%
He is traded by the 12-13 deadline for the best possible young asset (pick and/or player)
84
64%
He is kept past the deadline if the team has a chance at playoffs, and opts out for 13-14
8
6%
He is kept past the deadline if the team has a chance at playoffs, and opts in for 13-14
7
5%
He is kept, opts in for 13-14 and is extended as our long-term SG this summer
5
4%
 
Total votes: 131

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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#321 » by yoshii8 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:45 pm

I don't hate him, and think he does some things well, but I think we would be much improved w/ a bigger 2 guard that's an outside threat. I could see Dallas trading for Monta. I'd be happy w/ something like Mayo, Beabouis and Kaman for Monta and Gooden.
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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#322 » by CanadaBucks » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:52 pm

SkilesTheLimit wrote:Or can Herb and Co. truly be that short-sighted to think "hey we're in the playoffs right now, let's keep this thing in tact and worry about the roster in the off-season."



Tough not to do this if your 7-8 games over 500 and trying to get a home court unless you get a guy back who can fill that position well. What would fans say if you trade him for young ones that can't contribute immediately and/or picks. I'm not saying it's the best long-term decision but I can certainly see going that route. I still believe the Bucks have little intention of keeping Monta long-term and I am 95% he will opt out barring injury.
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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#323 » by Badgerlander » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:24 pm

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11 players attempt > 5 long jumpers / gm (16-23 ft). Only Monta Ellis shoots them at < 38% - he's at 33%. #bucks


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More Monta: he's shooting below NBA avg at all five ranges - at rim, 3-9 ft, 10-15, 16-23, + 3pt. His TS% last 4 yrs: 54%, 52%, 49%, 48%.
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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#324 » by raysbookclub » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:59 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
SkilesTheLimit wrote:Or can Herb and Co. truly be that short-sighted to think "hey we're in the playoffs right now, let's keep this thing in tact and worry about the roster in the off-season."



Tough not to do this if your 7-8 games over 500 and trying to get a home court unless you get a guy back who can fill that position well. What would fans say if you trade him for young ones that can't contribute immediately and/or picks. I'm not saying it's the best long-term decision but I can certainly see going that route. I still believe the Bucks have little intention of keeping Monta long-term and I am 95% he will opt out barring injury.


Yes, you have to get a good, ready guard back for Ellis. Who would be targets? We've said Afflalo. Who else?
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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#325 » by Licensed to Il » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:21 pm

Since Phoenix is in full tank mode, I wonder if they would consider: Ellis, Udoh, and Dalembert for Gortat and Dudley. Ellis gives Phoenix name recognition and an expiring $, Udoh is a long term big for the rotation, and Dalembert is an expiring. Total tank move for the Suns. The Bucks get some post scoring and a big body in Gortat (I think he would compliment Henson and Larry), and a really good under the radar player in Dudley.

Obviously, the talent we would get back would be a lot better than the talent we send out, but as we all know things other than talent play a factor in NBA trades all the time.
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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#326 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:34 pm

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11 players attempt > 5 long jumpers / gm (16-23 ft). Only Monta Ellis shoots them at < 38% - he's at 33%. #bucks


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More Monta: he's shooting below NBA avg at all five ranges - at rim, 3-9 ft, 10-15, 16-23, + 3pt. His TS% last 4 yrs: 54%, 52%, 49%, 48%.

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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#327 » by trwi7 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:42 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
statcenter ‏@statcenter

11 players attempt > 5 long jumpers / gm (16-23 ft). Only Monta Ellis shoots them at < 38% - he's at 33%. #bucks


statcenter ‏@statcenter

More Monta: he's shooting below NBA avg at all five ranges - at rim, 3-9 ft, 10-15, 16-23, + 3pt. His TS% last 4 yrs: 54%, 52%, 49%, 48%.

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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#328 » by ajb905 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:43 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:ellis is only "hated" on this board where a few guys steer the conversation. he hasnt been awesome but id still be willing to extend him if the team kicks ass the rest of the year. hes pretty good at just about every facet of the game of basketball besides shot selection. thats a player i can live with as long as the team is successful with it..... and he doesnt demand idiotic amounts of money for it.


Shot selection is a pretty important factor for a shooting guard, especially one shooting 17-18 times a game. Plus the fact that shot selection leads to poor % of shots made (40% from the field and 25% from 3) and then throw in the poor defense and turnovers. Yeah other than that he's peachy keen.
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Re: What Do You Want To Happen With Ellis? 

Post#329 » by ampd » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:44 pm

Interesting to note Jennings is shooting over 50% on free throw line jumpers this season.

The big problem is that a full 10 of Ellis' shot attempts per game are shots that he hits at 33% or less. Its pretty incredible that a guy with his ability to get into the lane and inability to shoot 3s would take 10+ shots per game that are either 3s or those early shot clock 20 footers.

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Jennings -
At the rim - 55%
3-9- 35%
10-15 - 51%
16-23 - 36%
3p - 36%

Monta -
ATR - 62
3-9 - 38
10-15 - 39
16-23 - 33
3P - 23

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