Game 20: Kings (7-13) @ Bucks (10-9), Cousins Out (Susp.)

step3profit · Post #41 » by **step3profit** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:28 pm

Ayt wrote:
crkone wrote:But was he worse that Gooden?

Do we know he would have not improved knowing he had a consistent role to play?

Frankly, I think Skiles main failure as a coach is his inability to create roles for players and to utilize those roles on a nightly basis. There is too much "floating" by him, and, therefore, by his players on a nightly basis.

IMO, the problem there is the only players that are consistently labelled 'scorers' are also (in reality) 'chuckers'. Other than Dunleavy. I can't really put that on Skiles... without a consistent go-to scorer, he has to use what is there.

Until there is an efficient scorer on the team, whoever has the hot hand is going to shoot, along with Team Tiny in the backcourt... some days it will be awesome, and some days it will not.

milweskee · Post #42 » by **milweskee** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:29 pm

I'm with Jimmy, the Drew Gooden argument trumps everything else. I would like to throw in our record last year as another basis of why you would play a young player over a crappy veteran.

step3profit · Post #43 » by **step3profit** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:30 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
Thats fine. And true to a certain extent. What people keep conveniently ignoring, for some strange reason, is the fact that DREW GOODEN was the other option. Yes, that Drew Gooden. The Drew Gooden that would give up the lane every single time someone came at him. The Drew Gooden that was a step slow on every defensive possession. The Drew Gooden that loved the 19-footer.

As much as I want to see Harris play, there are other legitimate options at his position. I don't want to see four small forwards splitting minutes right down the middle. So bench the young guy right now. Fine. Huge difference between Tobias' situation this year and Larry's last year.

Yeah, Gooden is pretty terrible. I still think Sanders would have fouled out in under 20 mins a game last year though. You don't want to spend the last half of the first 3 quarters with your opponent in the bonus, night in and night out, when you are trying to make the playoffs.

trwi7 · Post #44 » by **trwi7** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:45 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Wow is it clear you just don't get it. But I won't clutter up the game thread anymore.

I got $10 saying he's lying.

Badgerlander · Post #45 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:49 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:So no fine or suspension for Cousins punching Mayo in the nutz?

Kinda want to see him go after Sanders tonight, just to see what would happen

I'd rather see him punch Monta in the nuts if Ellis is shooting like 30% or something.

dinderdan · Post #46 » by **dinderdan** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:02 pm

Is tonights game televised? Holy carp it is 8-)

JimmyTheKid · Post #47 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:07 pm

trwi7 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Wow is it clear you just don't get it. But I won't clutter up the game thread anymore.

I got $10 saying he's lying.

What do you mean?

trwi7 · Post #48 » by **trwi7** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:08 pm

I expect the argument to continue on later.

JBucks · Post #49 » by **JBucks** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:55 pm

Is Evans playing tonight?

Nebula1 · Post #50 » by **Nebula1** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:05 pm

Free Tobias

Max Green · Post #51 » by **Max Green** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:23 pm

jeremyd236 · Post #52 » by **jeremyd236** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:35 pm

Stick to the rotation. Win the game.

emunney · Post #53 » by **emunney** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:42 pm

Larry was a better option than Drew last year. I wonder, though, if he'd have still been motivated to make the major mental adjustments he made over the offseason had he been playing big minutes (as big as his fouling would have allowed) last season. Maybe, but I suspect not. And now, having made those adjustments, Larry's a far better option than he even was last year. So I find it difficult to quibble with the results.

milweskee · Post #54 » by **milweskee** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:42 pm

Stick to this rotation. Win about half the games.

Aim high!

vlietinho · Post #55 » by **vlietinho** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:46 pm

Win. Back to 4th seed!

A Diddy2231 · Post #56 » by **A Diddy2231** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:08 pm

dinderdan wrote:Is tonights game televised? Holy carp it is

The revolution will not be televised

Badgerlander · Post #57 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:08 pm

JBucks wrote:Is Evans playing tonight?

He went thru the shoot around, game time decision.

Baddy Chuck · Post #58 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:19 pm

Small sample size (5 games) but Larry is averaging only 3 fouls a game is about 28 minutes since Luc came back. Losing Monta on the wing would help him even more.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #59 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:09 pm

comparing the playing time sanders got to the time tobias is getting is nuts. harris is a very refined 20 year old, or whatever he is.... he needs more time. if people keep showing those ppp stats on offense and defense and where he ranks in the league im gonna go nuts if this benching keeps up.

emunney · Post #60 » by **emunney** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:37 pm

There's some disagreement between what Tobes is allowing his man in ppp and how the team is performing when he's in there. All in all I think the low volume of numbers makes things awfully muddy at this point from either angle. In watching the games, it seems like he's at fault for breakdowns pretty often. That said, more often than Monta? No.