yardbarker

Milwaukee Bucks Historical Individual Game Leaders (Since 1984-1985)

# Date Player Pos MINFGMFGA3PM3PAFTMFTAREBASTSTLBLKPTS
1Nov 11, 2006Michael ReddSG45:4418326121517203157
2Nov 14, 2009Brandon JenningsPG40:4321347868550055
3Mar 04, 2007Michael ReddSF43:38183281389323052
4Apr 14, 2002Ray AllenSG44:001523101477443047
5Dec 05, 1989Ricky PierceSG36:0017263489321045
6Feb 25, 2001Glenn RobinsonSF38:0018272478720045

See historical Milwaukee Bucks individual game leaders

PG: We'll meet again in the finals!

Moderators: MickeyDavis, paulpressey25

Post#106 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:31 am by LUKE23

We're being outscored on the season (by 4) and the biggest predictor of W-L is O/D efficiency. I think we could definitely add a lower volume SG who can shoot the 3 (thus scoring at higher efficiency) that defends his man better than Ellis while also giving more shots to guys like Dunleavy, Harris, Ilyasova. In short, I think we could improve on both ends to be honest. This team is playing .500 ball almost across the board with every metric you can find right now. I don't think that is their ceiling given the defensive talent they have in the frontcourt. An efficient 15 ppg scorer that can defend definitely improves the team.
Jim Paschke ‏@Paschketball 6 Apr
I just wish everyone could enjoy the ride. I see both sides believe me. Seed and situation never concern me. It's in or out. That's all


#8 seed first round series W-L since 1983-84: 4-56
LUKE23
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 63,461
And1: 612
Joined: May 25, 2005
Location: Stunville
Top

Post#107 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:41 am by CanadaBucks

LUKE23 wrote:We're being outscored on the season (by 4) and the biggest predictor of W-L is O/D efficiency. I think we could definitely add a lower volume SG who can shoot the 3 (thus scoring at higher efficiency) that defends his man better than Ellis while also giving more shots to guys like Dunleavy, Harris, Ilyasova. In short, I think we could improve on both ends to be honest. This team is playing .500 ball almost across the board with every metric you can find right now. I don't think that is their ceiling given the defensive talent they have in the frontcourt. An efficient 15 ppg scorer that can defend definitely improves the team.



Okay so you say if J.J. Redick was our SG instead of Monta we would be better than 11-9? I'm not so sure but my optimism is placed on Monta staying down around 17-18 shots and continuing getting to the line. If he goes back to the early season Monta I'll retract what I said.
CanadaBucks
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,683
And1: 134
Joined: Sep 14, 2012
Top

Post#108 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:46 am by LUKE23

I don't know that we're better or worse than 11-9 as of today but we end up with a better record for the season with Redick over Ellis yes.
Jim Paschke ‏@Paschketball 6 Apr
I just wish everyone could enjoy the ride. I see both sides believe me. Seed and situation never concern me. It's in or out. That's all


#8 seed first round series W-L since 1983-84: 4-56
LUKE23
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 63,461
And1: 612
Joined: May 25, 2005
Location: Stunville
Top

Post#109 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:01 am by paulpressey25

vlietinho wrote:He did show improvement over the last couple of games though.


In the 2010-2011 season he was a 45% fg shooter and 36% from 3 and 53.6 TS.

This year he's shooting 39% fg and 22% from 3 with a 48% TS.

The question is can he get back to his 2010-11 numbers? If he did, he'd have a shot at being a lot more meaningful player to the Bucks and people who like aspects of his game would have an easier time defending him.

But Woelfel has been touting his agenda that this is part of a permanent decline. He could be right. Not sure.
paulpressey25



Senior Mod - Bucks
Senior Mod - Bucks
User avatar
Posts: 41,068
And1: 977
Joined: Oct 26, 2002
Top

Post#110 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:23 am by CanadaBucks

But Woelfel has been touting his agenda that this is part of a permanent decline. He could be right. Not sure.


Wonder if Woelfel will ever change his twitter main page.
CanadaBucks
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,683
And1: 134
Joined: Sep 14, 2012
Top

Post#111 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:25 am by DocHoliday

LUKE23 wrote:We're being outscored on the season (by 4) and the biggest predictor of W-L is O/D efficiency. I think we could definitely add a lower volume SG who can shoot the 3 (thus scoring at higher efficiency) that defends his man better than Ellis while also giving more shots to guys like Dunleavy, Harris, Ilyasova. In short, I think we could improve on both ends to be honest. This team is playing .500 ball almost across the board with every metric you can find right now. I don't think that is their ceiling given the defensive talent they have in the frontcourt. An efficient 15 ppg scorer that can defend definitely improves the team.


I really doubt we are trading Ellis and it's looking more and more that he's going to be forced to opt in (or take a paycut to leave), so how do we improve things with Ellis still on the team? Why not try to add a guy like Courtney Lee? He is the second best corner 3 shooter in the league http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-cor ... f-the-nba/ a good defender, and on a reasonable contract thru age 30. If we can get him for the low price of say Dalembert, why not? Continue to start Ellis (so he is still looked at as a "starter") but send him to the bench early, like we did last season, so he can come in and have more of an offensive advantage against second units and be less of a disadvantage defensively.
Image
DocHoliday



RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 10,133
And1: 254
Joined: Jun 29, 2007
Location: La Villa Strangiato
Top

Post#112 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:28 am by averageposter

I would add this to the equation, for all monta's inefficiencies he does create opportunities for our defensive minded big men. He really seems to be in constant motion and the best set ups come from him, they just do. Replacing him with a Wes Mathews type looks great from the efficiency standpoint obviously and defensively most people you plug in there will help, but I wonder just how effective you can be playing say a Udoh/Sanders/Moute front court if Jennings is the only real distributor on the court. Obviously you can put Ersan in a spot or run Dunleavy in the other, toss Harris in, but each of those thing does put a ceiling on how great the defense can be.
averageposter
Pro Prospect
User avatar
Posts: 929
And1: 22
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Top

Post#113 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:46 am by CanadaBucks

averageposter wrote:I would add this to the equation, for all monta's inefficiencies he does create opportunities for our defensive minded big men. He really seems to be in constant motion and the best set ups come from him, they just do. Replacing him with a Wes Mathews type looks great from the efficiency standpoint obviously and defensively most people you plug in there will help, but I wonder just how effective you can be playing say a Udoh/Sanders/Moute front court if Jennings is the only real distributor on the court. Obviously you can put Ersan in a spot or run Dunleavy in the other, toss Harris in, but each of those thing does put a ceiling on how great the defense can be.

:D :) Good Monta does this^^^^^^^^^ :x :cry: Bad Monta not so much
CanadaBucks
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,683
And1: 134
Joined: Sep 14, 2012
Top

Post#114 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:41 pm by Run-MKE 311

Ugly game, got that win though.
Ball so hard.
Run-MKE 311
Senior
User avatar
Posts: 547
And1: 8
Joined: Oct 22, 2012
Location: Left coast and the midwest
Top

Post#115 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:09 pm by GHOSTofSIKMA

LUKE23 wrote:
CanadaBucks wrote:
The point is that thinking something doesn't make it correct, it's just opinion.


The problem though, is that there is a lot of evidence to back up the claim that Monta is a negative on both ends. The Bucks have been a ton better when he's been off the floor this year in terms of their overall efficiency. Objectively, the same can me said for Jennings this season as well.

It's just really, really hard to argue Ellis helps our offense when he's that inefficient with that many possessions and we're ranked 20th in offense.


all that evidence could also be used to show that our bench is better than the benchs they face. we kinda knew that already based on our depth and with the way skiles holds talent on the bench.... our starters in general have dug themselves a hole quite often. the eye test says its the frontcourt, not the backcourt causing most of the problem with how our TEAM production has varied there with the starters in the rotations. i really think both jennings and montas on/offs will improve now that we have udoh/ sanders starting on the team. plus montas ppp the last time it was posted was actually not bad if i recall correctly.

i wish the board would look harder to find the positives he may be producing considering our record at the current time. ive been guilty of the exact same thing with jennings in the past and ive made a concerted effort to quit being a dick about it because...... i dont want to be a dick about it.
if the record goes south..... then i could see why looking harder for positives becomes less of a priority. it would be cool if we wait until then.
Brandon Knight.... been balling. Over his last 64 games(updated 4/13)
34.4 mpg.. .426 fg%.. .329 3pt%.. .526 ts%.. 5.0 apg.. 3.8 rpg.. 18.9 ppg
GHOSTofSIKMA



General Manager
User avatar
Posts: 9,166
And1: 221
Joined: Jan 20, 2007
Location: NC
Top

Post#116 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:39 pm by LUKE23

The benches aren't always matched up against other teams benches. I don't really like that argument.

As far as W-L, couldn't we technically win 43 games but debate we should have won 47, etc.? Of course we can. Just because a team is over .500 right now doesn't mean everything is working. We're still projecting as a 40 win team right now based on our overall play.
Jim Paschke ‏@Paschketball 6 Apr
I just wish everyone could enjoy the ride. I see both sides believe me. Seed and situation never concern me. It's in or out. That's all


#8 seed first round series W-L since 1983-84: 4-56
LUKE23
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 63,461
And1: 612
Joined: May 25, 2005
Location: Stunville
Top

Post#117 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:43 pm by A Diddy2231

I would rather have Redick..he has made major improvements and could stretch the floor. His defense wouldn't be that much better..but it's all about the floor spacing.
Johnny wrote:You betrayed me! You're not good. You, you're just a chicken. Chip-chip-chip-chip-cheep-cheep.
A Diddy2231


Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,474
And1: 33
Joined: Sep 28, 2007
Location: NEW BEEZY
Top

Post#118 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:02 pm by averageposter

A Diddy2231 wrote:I would rather have Redick..he has made major improvements and could stretch the floor. His defense wouldn't be that much better..but it's all about the floor spacing.


I don't disagree that in general this team lacks some quantity and quality 3pt shooters, or that in general that spacing is necessary concern due to personnel. I do believe that to a certain extent Jennings, Dunleavy and Ersan are respected 3pt shooters at least as far as creating the spacing that 3pt shooters give so there is some depending on what Skiles chooses to do with his lineups.

Assuming then that the strongest defensive lineup Moute/Udoh /Sanders for now paired with at least Jenning as he hasn't really been discussed as "needing to be removed" Leaves a real need for a three point shooter in Monta's position. I guess I can see that.

On the other hand what do the Bucks do with the spacing if Monta is replaced with a whose biggest strength is as a 3pt shooter, the Bucks probably don't have anyone consistently attacking as Monta does when he chooses to, and they sure don't have a post up player. It probably puts an even bigger strain on Jennings again. I guess what I'm saying is, if the whole argument is based on trying to run serious minutes with the strong defensive front court then the player who replaces Monta not only has to be efficient but has to be capable of carrying a fairly big fairly diverse offensive load. Not sure who that guy is yet, at least I'm not totally sold on anybody who has been suggested.
averageposter
Pro Prospect
User avatar
Posts: 929
And1: 22
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Top

Post#119 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:07 pm by A Diddy2231

I feel like the Bucks need a Detroit Pistons Rip Hamilton type player
Johnny wrote:You betrayed me! You're not good. You, you're just a chicken. Chip-chip-chip-chip-cheep-cheep.
A Diddy2231


Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,474
And1: 33
Joined: Sep 28, 2007
Location: NEW BEEZY
Top

Post#120 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:27 pm by CanadaBucks

A Diddy2231 wrote:I feel like the Bucks need a Detroit Pistons Rip Hamilton type player



One guy I kind of like(and this would be in addition to Monta not instead of)is Gerald Henderson from Charlotte. Now what I would be willing to part with and what Charlotte would take...I don't know
CanadaBucks
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,683
And1: 134
Joined: Sep 14, 2012
Top

Post#121 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:55 pm by Baddy Chuck

CanadaBucks wrote:One guy I kind of like(and this would be in addition to Monta not instead of)is Gerald Henderson from Charlotte. Now what I would be willing to part with and what Charlotte would take...I don't know

I wouldn't mind him I guess but would you be willing to go even MLE type money to keep him after this season? I think he'd get more and at that price I'd let him walk.
Image
John Henson wrote:This lady just asked me who I play for and I said the Milwaukee Bucks, she quickly replied “oh the highschool across the street?”
Baddy Chuck
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 25,496
And1: 1,085
Joined: Apr 18, 2006
Location: Monta Ellis have it all.
Top

Post#122 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:38 pm by blkout

JimmyTheKid wrote:Anyway, how would that be considered an "agenda?" There are a lot of people who like Brandon Jennings' game.


You're right, it's not an agenda to have a positive opinion about someone. Just as the absolute reverse of that isn't an agenda either. There are people who don't like his game, or people who don't like Monta's, or people who don't like Ersan's etc... that's all it is, opinions. You label them agendas because you disagree with them.

Myself included. I'm not trying to break the bank for him but he deserves a contract much like the one Jrue Holiday just received.


Nope.

You seem to confuse agendas with people just flat out not liking a player's game, or being a harsh critic of what they do on the court. An agenda suggests people have some sort of motive or meaning behind it, like the motive behind their opinion isn't basketball related. What are these people trying to gain with the "agendas" you are accusing them of having?
Image
blkout

Forum Mod
Forum Mod
User avatar
Posts: 30,539
And1: 1,291
Joined: Dec 12, 2005
Location: Melbourne
Top

Post#123 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:39 pm by blkout

CanadaBucks wrote:
Ayt wrote:You don't need to have an "agenda" to think Monta sucks at basketball. I'm appalled he's on my team playing major minutes. I can't stand his game.


But to say he sucks at basketball is factually incorrect. He would get minutes with any team in the NBA. But you certainly don't have to like him, his game or like him being on your team.


No one in the NBA "sucks at basketball" in the literal sense, that's just semantics.
Image
blkout

Forum Mod
Forum Mod
User avatar
Posts: 30,539
And1: 1,291
Joined: Dec 12, 2005
Location: Melbourne
Top

Post#124 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:17 pm by AussieBuck

There's a few 7 footers that suck at basketball.
aol4532 wrote:what exactly is the difference between him (Bill Russell), and say a guy like Ryan Hollins, who is 20 lbs heavier and can get his head over the rim? He would get in foul trouble so quick, just trying to hold position.
AussieBuck

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 20,175
And1: 666
Joined: May 10, 2006
Location: saveourbucks.com
Top

Post#125 Re: PG: We'll meet again in the finals!
Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:36 am by giraldo5

blkout wrote:Would like a conclusive list of all the Golden State fans please

Always loved them but didn't like Monta. Now with arguably one of my favorite players instead of Monta they are my 2nd favorite team easily.
Postby LUKE23 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:44 pm

In shape 18-22 year olds running out of gas? Hilarious.
giraldo5
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,376
And1: 41
Joined: Feb 22, 2010
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Milwaukee Bucks


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aaron It Out, Barkley_34, bigdog34, DigitalFool, DocHoliday, DPGBucks, Miasma, Ron Swanson, tntrost