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Post#16 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:06 pm by blazza18

Harris - F :lol:
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Post#17 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:19 am by yuedar

Yes harris gets an F you tell me 1 thing this guy does well at an NBA level because I don't know what it is? He seems like a waste of space when hes out there.
I expect nothing from the guy and 9 times out of 10 thats what we get from him. He has no go to move. He doesn't shoot great he doesn't drive great he doesn't rebound great he doesn't do anything but sit around corners eating up space.
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Post#18 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:27 am by ampd

yuedar wrote:Yes harris gets an F you tell me 1 thing this guy does well at an NBA level because I don't know what it is? He seems like a waste of space when hes out there.
I expect nothing from the guy and 9 times out of 10 thats what we get from him. He has no go to move. He doesn't shoot great he doesn't drive great he doesn't rebound great he doesn't do anything but sit around corners eating up space.


And yet you gave Pryz a D. :crazy:
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Post#19 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:31 am by yuedar

I had low expectations for him and he slightly fell below them.
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Post#20 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:43 am by SpursNBucks

DrugBust wrote:You guys are letting Ersan's absolutely putrid start cloud your opinion on his season as a whole.

First 7 games:
23.9 mpg
.335 TS%
75 ORTG
104 DRTG

Last 12 games:
22.9 MPG
.540 TS%
118 ORTG
105 DRTG

One thing that has to keep getting better is his rebounding.


If your going to hate Ellis based on stats then it is just as just as fair to condemn Ersan in the same way- First of all he is being paid starter money and sitting on the bench- probably a worse on ball defender by position then Ellis. His FG % in is just .401 and 3 pt is .279 and FT at 68% with 5.5 RPG and only 8.8 PPG he has become a complete early bust- if you want to attack Ellis it is fair to go on player's you may like = he has sucked!

For the record " I'd give him a grade of C or something. Drug Bust you said" is that really fair? I think what this board needs is more fair objectivty - I admit I was wrong on Ellis and Sanders. We have to go with the stats not with our own agendas-- maybe the Bucks too?
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Post#21 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:07 am by jeremyd236

These are all RELATIVE to expectations/talent level!!!

Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)
Ilyasova: C+ (would get an F if it wasn't for his recent improvement)
Harris: B- (didn't expect much - high efficiency, horrible defense)
Dalembert: B- (honestly didn't expect him to be fat/out of shape)
Sanders: A (never saw this coming)
Dunleavy: B (started out incredible, no impact as of late)
Udrih: ? (as expected early on, too early to tell with injury)
Henson: B (in the time he has played, he' shown he's active and athletic. Questionable defense)
Gooden: B (he hasn't played much at all, but he's looked okay when he has. Skiles knows when to pull him.)
Udoh: A- (far exceeded my expectations)
Lamb: B (don't expect much from 2nd round rookies. He's been okay.)
Przybilla: B (he's been horrible, but it's expected with his talent/age. Shouldn't get any minutes)
Mbah a Moute: B+ (limited time/minuted, but played well)
Daniels: A- (honestly, thought he'd blow. Good defense, surprisingly okay offense as of late)

Skiles: B

Skiles gets a lot of horrible reactions in this board, but in the grand scheme of things all he was really doing was testing our lineups/rotations through 15 games. He's really tightened it up lately. People are pissed that Harris/Henson aren't getting the minutes, but I'm not. I want this team to win games right now, and they've won 3 in a row. Harris/Henson will get the minutes they deserve, as Sanders has with his improvement.
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Post#22 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:11 am by SpursNBucks

jeremyd236 wrote:These are all RELATIVE to expectations/talent level!!!

Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)
Ilyasova: C+ (would get an F if it wasn't for his recent improvement)
Harris: B- (didn't expect much - high efficiency, horrible defense)
Dalembert: B- (honestly didn't expect him to be fat/out of shape)
Sanders: A (never saw this coming)
Dunleavy: B (started out incredible, no impact as of late)
Udrih: ? (as expected early on, too early to tell with injury)
Henson: B (in the time he has played, he' shown he's active and athletic. Questionable defense)
Gooden: B (he hasn't played much at all, but he's looked okay when he has. Skiles knows when to pull him.)
Udoh: A- (far exceeded my expectations)
Lamb: B (don't expect much from 2nd round rookies. He's been okay.)
Przybilla: B (he's been horrible, but it's expected with his talent/age. Shouldn't get any minutes)
Mbah a Moute: B+ (limited time/minuted, but played well)
Daniels: A- (honestly, thought he'd blow. Good defense, surprisingly okay offense as of late)

Skiles: B

Skiles gets a lot of horrible reactions in this board, but in the grand scheme of things all he was really doing was testing our lineups/rotations through 15 games. He's really tightened it up lately. People are pissed that Harris/Henson aren't getting the minutes, but I'm not. I want this team to win games right now, and they've won 3 in a row. Harris/Henson will get the minutes they deserve, as Sanders has with his improvement.


Your too easy a grader where were you in my stats 2 class in college?
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Post#23 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:19 am by jeremyd236

SpursNBucks wrote:
jeremyd236 wrote:These are all RELATIVE to expectations/talent level!!!

Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)
Ilyasova: C+ (would get an F if it wasn't for his recent improvement)
Harris: B- (didn't expect much - high efficiency, horrible defense)
Dalembert: B- (honestly didn't expect him to be fat/out of shape)
Sanders: A (never saw this coming)
Dunleavy: B (started out incredible, no impact as of late)
Udrih: ? (as expected early on, too early to tell with injury)
Henson: B (in the time he has played, he' shown he's active and athletic. Questionable defense)
Gooden: B (he hasn't played much at all, but he's looked okay when he has. Skiles knows when to pull him.)
Udoh: A- (far exceeded my expectations)
Lamb: B (don't expect much from 2nd round rookies. He's been okay.)
Przybilla: B (he's been horrible, but it's expected with his talent/age. Shouldn't get any minutes)
Mbah a Moute: B+ (limited time/minuted, but played well)
Daniels: A- (honestly, thought he'd blow. Good defense, surprisingly okay offense as of late)

Skiles: B

Skiles gets a lot of horrible reactions in this board, but in the grand scheme of things all he was really doing was testing our lineups/rotations through 15 games. He's really tightened it up lately. People are pissed that Harris/Henson aren't getting the minutes, but I'm not. I want this team to win games right now, and they've won 3 in a row. Harris/Henson will get the minutes they deserve, as Sanders has with his improvement.


Your too easy a grader where were you in my stats 2 class in college?


Question: Did you read the first sentence of my post? Relative to talent/expectations. Although this roster will finish middle-of-the-pack, we're bottom-10 in talent, and I expected us to perform accordingly. We're going to finish around .500, which means we overachieved in terms of talent, or players simply have more talent than expected (Sanders).

When you grade the players based on these pre-defined conditions, I was not an "easy grader".
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Post#24 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:23 am by Baddy Chuck

jeremyd236 wrote:Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)

You thought both would shoot under 50% TS% and play awful defense?
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Post#25 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:25 am by Ayt

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Post#26 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:50 am by blkout

Baddy Chuck wrote:
jeremyd236 wrote:Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)

You thought both would shoot under 50% TS% and play awful defense?


Wouldn't have been that much of a reach if he did :P
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Post#27 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:19 am by -Kees-

Realative to what I thought would happen: (A = way above expect., C = at expect., F = way below expect.)

Jennings: D+ (I honestly thought he could creep into the top 10 PGs this year, but clearly hasn't)
Ellis: C (pretty much what I expected from him)
Tobias: C+ (I like the efficiency/post ups, but doesn't offer a ton more. Still decent though)
Ersan: D+ (HORRIBLE beginning, but something like 13/7 on mid .50s TS% last 5 games)
Dally: C (some good, some bad, mostly just takes minutes away from youngsters, which I what I expected)
Udrih: B+ (he's been a nice shooter, playmaker for this team off the bench, a more consistent guard than our others)
Daniels: B+ (didn't expect much from him either, but has shown some good things on O, and decent on D)
Dunleavy: C+ (carried us a few games, but has been completely out of others)
Henson: B (shown good rebounding, tips, offense, has holes, but better than I expected)
Sanders: A+ (great on D, solid on O, great rebounder. only issue is fouls, he has exceeded my expect.)
Lamb: B- (shown he can hit shots, but still making rookie mistakes)
Moute: A- (much better on O, always good D)
Udoh: B+ (good jumper, good rebounder, good defender. Looks like a rotational big, didn't know if he would be)
Gooden: A+ (not playing :))
Pryz: F- (playing)

Skiles: C- (at the record we guessed before the year, could be higher, but didn't expect it).
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Post#28 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:31 am by galena

Jennings- C+
Same old Brandon

Ellis- B-
Most talented player we have but fatally flawed at this point. Still, he DEFINITELY helps by giving us another creator/ ball handler/ semi-threat.

Harris- C-
Dissapointing.

Ersan- C-
Dissapointing so far but still have some hope for him.

Dalembert- C-
Thought he actually looked ok early, then he lost minutes and has become very inconsequential.

Udrih- B
Playing more like i remember him from his Sacramento days

Lamb- C-
Hasn't done much, but is a second rounf rookie so whatever.

Dunleavy- C-
This is the Dunleavy I knew before he had that fluke year last year

Udoh- C+
He is who I thought he was

Larry- B
Exceeded expectations obviously, but still overall, not great. Although certainly good.

Henson- INC
Had me excited with the 17/18 night vs Miami, but has done nothing else.

Daniels- B-
Mildly pleasantly surprised.

Overall- what an incredibly average, although fairly solid, team. #NBAPurgatory
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Post#29 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:43 am by AussieBuck

I'll compare guys to something like salary/minutes.

Jennings: C Horrible consistency but he did have an ankle injury that bothered him for a few games, defense looks better most games, passing at the rim off the dribble is significantly better. Scoring makes me a sad panda, he still can't intelligently draw contact.

Beno: C+ He's a solid player

Monta: E- I can live with him at about 52TS% or at a much lower volume but he's just an utter basketball moron and that isn't going to change. Near 11 jumpers a game at 31% is just ****.

Lamb: N/A Not enough minutes to tell.

Tobes: B He's been good in limited minutes.

Dunleavy C eh, he's mortal now and just a nice off the bench guy.

Daniels: B- Better than expected but not good enough to get the minutes he has.

Luc: N/A He's looked very good in limited minutes.

Ersan: D Started in a terrible slump but has been very good of late.

Udoh: A The near exact opposite of Drew Gooden

Henson: N/A like Tobes it's a real shame we haven't got a better look at him.

Gooden: N/A Worked his way back into the rotation. Fail awaits.

Dalembert: E Fat, dumb and not in the class of his two backups.

Sanders: A Excellent start to the season. He might end up the best backup C in the league.

Joel: N/A Old.
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Post#30 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:00 am by blazza18

I'd like Monta more if he was doing less Monta things.

The only players playing above average atm are Daniels, Beno (pre injury), Larry, LRMAM.
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Post#31 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:35 am by CanadaBucks

blazza18 wrote:I'd like Monta more if he was doing less Monta things.

The only players playing above average atm are Daniels, Beno (pre injury), Larry, LRMAM.



I would concur
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Post#32 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:49 am by eagle13

Based on how they are playing NOW (not up to now) relative to league.

BJ B-
Ellis C
Udrih C+
Daniels C+
Dunleavy C+
Moute A-
Harris D
Illysova C+
Udoh B
Sanders B+
Dalembert C
Pryzbilla = insuficient PT to be rated
Gooden = insuficient PT to be rated

AMONG ALL 2012 ROOKIES
Henson C-
Lamb D+
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Post#33 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:41 am by SpursNBucks

yuedar wrote:Yes harris gets an F you tell me 1 thing this guy does well at an NBA level because I don't know what it is? He seems like a waste of space when hes out there.
I expect nothing from the guy and 9 times out of 10 thats what we get from him. He has no go to move. He doesn't shoot great he doesn't drive great he doesn't rebound great he doesn't do anything but sit around corners eating up space.


F is insane! He has shown a pretty nice shot and decent move to the basket (.495 FG%). He started out hot- in his first game he went 8/11 2/2 from 3 with 6 reb 2 asst and 1 block - Since then his minutes have been cut WAY back because he is still learning to play defense in the NBA, but for christ sakes he's 20 years old. It's hard to say at this point what kind of player he will be in two years, but I bet he will be a solid starter. I sure wouldn't write him off at this stage.
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Post#34 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:51 am by jeremyd236

Baddy Chuck wrote:
jeremyd236 wrote:Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)

You thought both would shoot under 50% TS% and play awful defense?


Absolutely. I'm pretty sure the majority here could have predicted that.
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Post#35 Re: 20 Game Mark Bucks Player Grades?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:00 pm by ReasonablySober

jeremyd236 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
jeremyd236 wrote:Jennings: B (he's exactly what we thought he was)
Ellis: B (see above)

You thought both would shoot under 50% TS% and play awful defense?


Absolutely. I'm pretty sure the majority here could have predicted that.


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