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OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:40 pm
by ReasonablySober
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:46 pm
by paulpressey25
Awesome. Now he can have his new employer trade for Drew Gooden.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:07 am
by crkone
A ton of low usage high efficiency players are headed to Memphis
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:08 am
by GHOSTofSIKMA
paulpressey25 wrote:Awesome. Now he can have his new employer trade for Drew Gooden.
my first thought exactly!!! of all the metrics guys wtf...lol hes about as much a metric expert as i am
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:19 am
by randy84
Joe Alexander just tweeted " Hey mom, I am going to be a Grizzly".
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:19 am
by blkout
I see a Daniel Orton trade coming
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:22 am
by bigkurty
Wow, what a cool opportunity for him. I know we all agree per is an overrated stat however he seems like a smart guy who finally got what I am assuming is a dream job. I always wondered why teams didn't try to hire guys like Larry Coon and David Berri. I always thought if you were a team, why wouldn't you hire a cap expert (GAD in his prime comes to mind along with Coon) and a stats guy who understand efficiency.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:32 am
by Nebula1
As long as he doesn't try to ruin this Grizz team. They've got it just about right as it is.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:32 am
by UGA Hayes
crkone wrote:A ton of low usage high efficiency players are headed to Memphis
I'm pretty sure its the other way around with Hollinger. His system loves chuckers.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:18 am
by Turk Nowitzki
Nebula1 wrote:As long as he doesn't try to ruin this Grizz team. They've got it just about right as it is.
I highly doubt he's actually going to be making personnel decisions.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:33 am
by paulpressey25
Turk Nowitzki wrote:Nebula1 wrote:As long as he doesn't try to ruin this Grizz team. They've got it just about right as it is.
I highly doubt he's actually going to be making personnel decisions.
I think Mark Stein or one of those guys tweeted that he actually will be involved in personnel decisions.
He's talked about what a great player Gooden is for a long time. Get on the phone Hammond.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:22 am
by GHOSTofSIKMA
how hollinger can be a metrics guy and love gooden is comical. what is memphis doing? maybe next their gonna go get dick vitale as their head of scouting.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:49 am
by AussieBuck
This has me all kinds of excited.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:14 pm
by Nebula1
Memphis just finally got Gay and Randolph playing together and this Memphis team is special. It would be very disappointing to see them break this group up.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:56 pm
by crkone
UGA Hayes wrote:crkone wrote:A ton of low usage high efficiency players are headed to Memphis
I'm pretty sure its the other way around with Hollinger. His system loves chuckers.
It's both. He loved Gadzuric.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:10 pm
by Badgerlander
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/14/3766 ... -analyticspretty interesting article
John Hollinger is not the first of what you'd call the "basketball quants" to ascend to an NBA front office. This has been going on for years and years. Dean Oliver, the godfather of the movement, worked for the Sonics and Nuggets before becoming ESPN's top numbers person. (Oliver wrote the bible on the subject, Basketball on Paper, a decade ago.) Roland Beech has worked for the Mavericks. The great Kevin Pelton has done it from both sides: he was the beat writer for Sonics.com, infusing quantitative analysis where possible, before later doing some quant work for the Pacers. Aaron Barzilai did work for the Grizzlies before joining the Sixers this year. David Lewin does work for the Cavaliers. There are numerous others, former and current.
And, of course, there are two more in major positions of power: Mike Zarren, the assistant general manager of the Celtics and a now constant candidate for open GM jobs, as well as Daryl Morey, the GM of the Rockets.
I'm reminded of a tale from Rick Adelman's days in Houston. Morey's team would deliver lengthy scouting reports to the team and coaching staff well before a game. It'd have player tendencies, shooting charts, instructions on match-up advantages -- everything you could ask for to prep for a game. And out of all of the coaches and all of the players only two - Shane Battier and Chuck Hayes - would devour the reports. The rest (Adelman included) would leaf through, pretend to care and go play ball. That story might be an exaggeration on the part of the person who told it, but even if that's the case, it shows how important accessibility is. You can build the world's greatest performance model. And if you can't explain what it means to the people using it, it's worthless.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:15 pm
by ReasonablySober
I had a different conclusion reading that: some players just don't give a ****.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm
by Badgerlander
and some old school coaches apparently, but it's going to get more and more prevalent, the Timberwolves added the sport-vu camera system this offseason
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:39 pm
by ReasonablySober
DocHoliday wrote:and some old school coaches apparently, but it's going to get more and more prevalent, the Timberwolves added the sport-vu camera system this offseason
Indeed.
Re: OT: No more Hollinger at ESPN
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:36 pm
by crkone
Imagine if NFL teams didn't do film study of opponents.