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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#271 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:09 pm

DrugBust wrote:Sorry if my opinion offended your delicate sensibilities.

But answer me this: who of Miami, New York, Chicago/Indiana/Brooklyn are the Bucks beating in the first round on the road? I'm assuming you think we'd be getting a Gasol that looks more like the guy he was at 30 instead of the broken down shell he is now. Which is mind-boggling but what the hell. I'll play along.



I don't believe he's broken down at all. He just doesn't care anymore, hates being on that team and isn't being used correctly. 2 years ago he was one of the best big man in the game. At 32 years old and a player who doesn't rely on pure athleticism I don't see why he can't have 2-3 more productive seasons on a different team that will make him a focal point.

I think with Pau we could easily beat Brooklyn, definitely beat Indiana and possibly beat Chicago or New York.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#272 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:40 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Sorry if my opinion offended your delicate sensibilities.

But answer me this: who of Miami, New York, Chicago/Indiana/Brooklyn are the Bucks beating in the first round on the road? I'm assuming you think we'd be getting a Gasol that looks more like the guy he was at 30 instead of the broken down shell he is now. Which is mind-boggling but what the hell. I'll play along.



I don't believe he's broken down at all. He just doesn't care anymore, hates being on that team and isn't being used correctly. 2 years ago he was one of the best big man in the game. At 32 years old and a player who doesn't rely on pure athleticism I don't see why he can't have 2-3 more productive seasons on a different team that will make him a focal point.

I think with Pau we could easily beat Brooklyn, definitely beat Indiana and possibly beat Chicago or New York.


Good post. Do people really think Pau's body suddenly broke down for no reason after he dominated the Olympics? That's ridiculous. And being used incorrectly is a huge factor - probably the biggest factor - in his struggles. Anybody who says otherwise is a fool. Finally, the mental toughness is not nearly the factor people make it out to be. It's a game of skill and strategy, not a cult of personality. As a society we worship the type-A personality myth for some weird reason, but you don't have to be that way to succeed.

The Bucks could beat any team in the East except Miami, or maybe Chicago if Rose comes back 100% - which I don't think he will be until next season. There's little separation among all the other teams. Whoever is healthy and develops good chemistry will rise to the top of that clusterf*ck. Last year it was Philly and Indy. This year it could be just about anyone, including the Bucks. I'm not saying they're as talented as all those other teams in the East, but they're close enough to have a very realistic chance of beating them in a playoff series.

*This is all assuming they trade either of their guards for a comparable talent who fits the team's needs better.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#273 » by Nebula1 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:45 pm

Pau Gasol is not in a good place right now and the odds of him turning back the clock a few years is less likley. I see zero reason the Bucks should try to get him.

Everybody has their opinion, but the Bucks have life because the youth is starting to emerge and Henson/Sanders is the future frontcourt for this squad. Dumping a beat up Pau in front of them would just be all wrong for this this team.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#274 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:49 pm

Nebula1 wrote:Pau Gasol is not in a good place right now and the odds of him turning back the clock a few years is less likley. I see zero reason the Bucks should try to get him.

Everybody has their opinion, but the Bucks have life because the youth is starting to emerge and Henson/Sanders is the future frontcourt for this squad. Dumping a beat up Pau in front of them would just be all wrong for this this team.


Yeah because there's never been an example in NBA history of young big guys benefitting from the mentoring and example set by a skilled, consummate pro like Gasol. :roll:

Pau's not in a good place because he's on the wrong team, not because there's something seriously wrong with him.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#275 » by Nebula1 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:08 pm

So you want to squash the growth by putting Gasol on the Bucks where he'd likely be even more unhappy? Perhaps the young fellas would benefit a big by playing with Gasol, but I doubt it. Dude needs to go to a contender/big market and find his juice again.

Far too big of a risk for the Bucks to take at this stage with limited upside reward.

But like I said, we all have our opinions on the right direction for the team. This, imo, would be the typical Bucks blunder that has plagued them over the duration of Kohl's tenure.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#276 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:23 pm

The Bucks finally have depth with youth and talent and people want to screw with it, displacing our best big in the process. If you were doing this for a guy like Aldridge I'd be on board. That's a nice fit. But not a 32 year old with knee tendinitis who'd be miserable in Milwaukee.

If I were hammond I'd do what I could to secure another lotto pick. If people consider this a week draft and want to move their picks, take advantage of it and try to land the SG the Bucks desperately need.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#277 » by jr lucosa » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:36 pm

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't want Pau. For a while there I felt overwhelmed by the Gasol love. :D

A 30 plus year old with bad numbers, career low percentages, awful knees and no heart.... but his name is Pau Gasol! Must be the best option.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#278 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:36 pm

If the Bucks could get a Ersan/Gooden/Udoh for Gasol type deal they would be beyond stupid to not do it for salary purposes alone. Best case, you get two years of a re-energized Gasol. Worst case is he still sucks, and you have a massive expiring next season, while dumping your two albatross contracts, and opening up minutes for Henson. I could probably be convinced to throw in Harris for a late 1st to get the deal done too.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#279 » by averageposter » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:40 pm

I think it depends on the Pau trade but I don't see where it immediately stands in the way of the young guys. Henson isn't starting now, perhaps he should be given Ilyasova's troubles but he isn't. I think as long as Ersan leaves in the deal getting Pau probably doesn't change the rotation much. Sanders plays the same as he always has and Henson could steal a few minutes at Center at the expense of Udoh, to make up for Pau playing more than Ersan. Or Pau slides over to the 5 at the expense of Udoh. The future is the future, you could move Pau next year if need be to clear the room again for the young guys. I think Udoh suffers the minute reduction and I'd be fine with that.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#280 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:40 pm

There's an article on Grantland right now about how the Spurs are in desperate need of athleticism to put around their aging stars. The two guys I'd want most from them are Leonard and Green. Imagine slotting those two next to Jennings, Henson and Sanders. I don't want to say the core is complete, but that's a team to build around.

The article throws out the names Gay, Smith, Horford, Cousins and Thad Young. Obviously if Horford could be had, we're not beating that without offering Sanders and that defeats the purpose. But I wonder if a package of LRMAM, Ellis and Harris could get it done? The Bucks would have to take back Stephen Jackson, but we could waive his ass before he even got on a plane.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#281 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:41 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:If the Bucks could get a Ersan/Gooden/Udoh for Gasol type deal they would be beyond stupid to not do it for salary purposes alone. Best case, you get two years of a re-energized Gasol. Worst case is he still sucks, and you have a massive expiring next season, while dumping your two albatross contracts, and opening up minutes for Henson. I could probably be convinced to throw in Harris for a late 1st to get the deal done too.


Why on Earth would Gasol be energize coming to the Milwaukee **** Bucks? If he wants out, it's to a legit contender in a nice location.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#282 » by LUKE23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:52 pm

I like Green and Leonard, but I like Moute/Harris more. We need to remember that role players in SA always look better than they would other places too. Part of it is having the best coach in the league, part of it is the attention of their core three.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#283 » by giraldo5 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:53 pm

DrugBust wrote:There's an article on Grantland right now about how the Spurs are in desperate need of athleticism to put around their aging stars. The two guys I'd want most from them are Leonard and Green. Imagine slotting those two next to Jennings, Henson and Sanders. I don't want to say the core is complete, but that's a team to build around.

The article throws out the names Gay, Smith, Horford, Cousins and Thad Young. Obviously if Horford could be had, we're not beating that without offering Sanders and that defeats the purpose. But I wonder if a package of LRMAM, Ellis and Harris could get it done? The Bucks would have to take back Stephen Jackson, but we could waive his ass before he even got on a plane.


Wait, so the Spurs are looking for athleticism and you expect them to trade by far their most athletic guy in Leonard?

I would personally deal anyone for Leonard (including Sanders) but I don't see them moving him.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#284 » by LUKE23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:54 pm

You'd deal Larry Sanders or John Henson for Kawhi Leonard? Wow.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#285 » by emunney » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:56 pm

You know who have great athleticism?
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Post#286 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:59 pm

I know, you'd think if they needed it they wouldn't move it. I only bring them up because it's what the article mentioned. But if they're looking for a guy who can guard stretch fours, LRMAM fits better than Leonard.
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Post#287 » by LUKE23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:03 pm

Personally, I would just move Monta for a pick and be done with it. Use FA to look at some young SG's. Keep the frontcourt as is. Harris longl-term wing scorer, Moute long-term wing defender. PF/C is set. Jennings I'm not completely sold on, but he's young and I'm not sure we can realistically find a better option. Plus he could still improve.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#288 » by emunney » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:12 pm

Ellis, LRMAM, Przy, 2nd for Jax, De Colo, Green, 1st. Cut Jax with a **** sword.

We're not getting enough out of that, but the salaries work.
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#289 » by JimmyTheKid » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:15 pm

From a chat today on Hoopsworld:

Steve
Hey Yannis, The Bucks have a number of bigs that aren’t playing much like Dalembert, Gooden, and Pryzbilla, do you see John Hammond making a move? Also what do you think Monta’s trade value is?

Yannis Koutroupis
Oh yeah, definitely. Like I said last year, you don’t let your coach go when you have a roster full of untouchables. Monta’s value is high, I could see him moving.


I'm liking this a lot. Not to mention Gery Woelfel's nugget yesterday about the Suns planning to "make a hard push" for Monta...

Is it possible for the Bucks to somehow not screw this up?
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Re: Trades for the Bucks to blow it up 

Post#290 » by jr lucosa » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:18 pm

emunney wrote:Ellis, LRMAM, Przy, 2nd for Jax, De Colo, Green, 1st. Cut Jax with a **** sword.

We're not getting enough out of that, but the salaries work.



I like De Colo. I would have to consider this one but Moute makes it real hard.
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