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Wouldn't take on Amare's uninsured contract for anything.

LUKE23 wrote:

Lippo wrote:I know I'm in the huge minority
but id rather do

Milwaukee - Toronto
Ellis for Derozan/Kleiza

Milwaukee - New York
Gooden/Kleiza/Ersan/2nd for Stoudemire/Shumpert

Thank God you are not running this team.

LUKE23 wrote:

Lippo wrote:I know I'm in the huge minority
but id rather do

Milwaukee - Toronto
Ellis for Derozan/Kleiza

Milwaukee - New York
Gooden/Kleiza/Ersan/2nd for Stoudemire/Shumpert

Thank God you are not running this team.

You don't think it would be a good idea to pay Amare 20m for each of the next two years? Stun

gooden/ersan/kleiza for 18m or amare 20 .. seems a wash, we don't need depth... kleiza and gooden should never play so its beasically Ersan vs Amare at the PF, and hes off the books about the time we need to pay Larry and Henson

and getting shumpert is the goal.

jakecronus8 wrote:

TyCobb wrote:It still wouldn't get it done. The Lakers aren't forced to trade Gasol, and if they do move him, it won't be to take on other teams' bad contracts. Gasol only has a year on his contract after this season.

That's true but if they want to salvage this season and next year, they need to do something drastic, which is likely to occur given Kobe's age.

Trade Kobe.

coolhandluke121 wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:

TyCobb wrote:It still wouldn't get it done. The Lakers aren't forced to trade Gasol, and if they do move him, it won't be to take on other teams' bad contracts. Gasol only has a year on his contract after this season.

That's true but if they want to salvage this season and next year, they need to do something drastic, which is likely to occur given Kobe's age.

Trade Kobe.

Yeah .. they should, but they won't. He'll retire a Laker.

There are five PF/C I'd rather give minutes to than Amare currently on this roster.

Lippo wrote:gooden/ersan/kleiza for 18m or amare 20 .. seems a wash, we don't need depth... kleiza and gooden should never play so its beasically Ersan vs Amare at the PF, and hes off the books about the time we need to pay Larry and Henson

and getting shumpert is the goal.

The Bucks don't have nearly enough trash to make any deal for Amare worth their while unless it includes multiple unprotected future first-round picks from the Knicks. Gooden isn't even half the gutter trash that Amare is right now. The Knicks have nothing else of real value except Chandler and Melo, and they're not trading either of those two to dump Amare.

Lippo wrote:

coolhandluke121 wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:That's true but if they want to salvage this season and next year, they need to do something drastic, which is likely to occur given Kobe's age.

Trade Kobe.

Yeah .. they should, but they won't. He'll retire a Laker.

I'm not sure he wants to if they can't compete for a title. Normally I would think that would be a huge factor, but in Kobe's case I wouldn't be so sure.

So it seems unlikely the Bucks blow it up this year

Lippo wrote:gooden/ersan/kleiza for 18m or amare 20 .. seems a wash, we don't need depth... kleiza and gooden should never play so its beasically Ersan vs Amare at the PF, and hes off the books about the time we need to pay Larry and Henson

and getting shumpert is the goal.

Ok so why would we trade for Kleiza then?

Barring a big time losing streak before the deadline, there is virtually no chance we blow it up I would think

Just saw this trade on the trade forum

Hawks get: Howard/Ellis
Bucks get: Korver/Jenkins/protected 1st
Lakers get: Horford/D.Harris

Why Hawks: They pair Smith with his 2 buddies in Howard and Ellis - Howard has stated many times that he wanted to play with Ellis

Why Bucks: They need a shooter and they get their SG of the future + a 1st

Why Lakers: They get a top 5 C for Howard, who under a nice contract and Harris would be a good 6th man.


I could live with that, would love the Hawks again, like the Dominique days...

This is more of a shakeup than a complete blow up. These moves both shed a lot of cheddar and add pieces to give us a shot to win a playoff series.

Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris and Deron Lamb to Dallas for Elton Brand, Roddy Beaubois and Jae Crowder.

I think Brand really compliments our current group. More consistent than Ersan right now, better low post defender. Opens up the door for Henson to share more power forward minutes. Productive veteran low post presence for the rest of the season and the playoffs. Sheds Ersan contract and designate Henson our franchise power forward.

Still don't really know what to make of Beabois. Shown flashes, still pretty young. Think he needs a change of scenery. If nothing else adds back court depth and gives Dalembert and Mbah a Moute another guy to speak French with.

Harris for Crowder might be tough for some to swallow, I just think Crowder really adds a defensive element to our team right now that make us more of a force. It's fun about him out there with Moute and the havoc they could create. Harris might put it all together, but I don't know if it will be in Milwaukee.

Was there a rumor that Dallas was targeting Ersan or something? I don't see why they trade for a $8 million backup to a 35 minute a game player.

Chuck Diesel wrote:Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris and Deron Lamb to Dallas for Elton Brand, Roddy Beaubois and Jae Crowder.

Ick. I like Harris more than Crowder (who I do like, but as a bench defender) or Beaubois, and Brand is pretty much done. We should not be making these kind of trades.

LUKE23 wrote:

Chuck Diesel wrote:Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris and Deron Lamb to Dallas for Elton Brand, Roddy Beaubois and Jae Crowder.

Ick. I like Harris more than Crowder (who I do like, but as a bench defender) or Beaubois, and Brand is pretty much done. We should not be making these kind of trades.

Can Brand as an amnesty guy be dealt? I didn't think they could.

Bucks in Brooks/Taylor/Humphries
out Ilyasova/Gooden/Daniels

Nets in Howard/Gooden/Daniels/Jamison

Lakers in Lopez/Ilyasova

Nebula1 wrote:So it seems unlikely the Bucks blow it up this year

Yup. We have probably the 2nd best team in last 22 years. The best was big 3 team offcourse:

Milwaukee Bucks record after first 40 games:

2012-13 -------- 22-18
2011-12 -------- 16-24
2010-11 -------- 16-24
2009-10 -------- 17-23
2008-09 -------- 19-21
2007-08 -------- 16-24
2006-07 -------- 17-23
2005-06 -------- 21-19
2004-05 -------- 15-25
2003-04 -------- 22-18 (TJ Ford's rookie year, the last time we had all star member)
2002-03 -------- 19-21
2001-02 -------- 26-14
2000-01 -------- 25-15
1999-00 -------- 22-18
1998-99 -------- 22-18
1997-98 -------- 18-22
1996-97 -------- 19-21
1995-96 -------- 15-25
1994-95 -------- 16-24
1993-94 -------- 12-28
1992-93 -------- 17-23
1991-92 -------- 19-21

The FTD roster was on 60 win pace for 30 games. They won 46 for the season, but that Jennings/Salmons/Bogut team was either 1st or 2nd best team in last 22 years. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they beat the big 3 team head to head.

This current team is not better than FTD.

Highly unlikley, but we get a low post scorer and keep Ilyasova

Hawks get: Howard and Ellis
Lakers get: Daly/Henson/Devin Harris/Jenkins
Bucks get: Horford/Korver

Jennings(36)/Udrih(12)
Korver(30)/Dunleavy(18)
Moute(36)/Dunleavy(12)
Ilyasova(30)/Horford(18)
Sanders(30)/Horford(18)

Or the one I posted on the trade board

Hawks get: Howard/Ellis
Bucks get: Korver/Jenkins
Lakers get: Horford/Devin Harris