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Post#76 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:29 pm by ReasonablySober

I still doubt either come back, Skiles being 99% gone, Hammond being around 90%.
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Post#77 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:31 pm by whatthe_buck!?

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:jennings is a poor mans monta ellis.... except smaller and worse at EVERY aspect and/or statistical category of the game of basketball. he really should play sg like monta but hes too small for it... so not only is he worse than monta at everything but hes also forced to play out of position.

all that said, i will say hes better at limiting statistical turnovers. he does well there on paper so id imagine i shouldnt leave that out of the analysis. but i chalk that up to the fact that when monta gets stuck and tries to make something happen, he either chucks a bad shot or forces a bad pass. jennings prefers to just dribble like crazy and then when he gets stuck to wait for somebody to run at him to get the ball late in the shot clock. its basically the same as a turnover but it doesnt count like one.

You're arguing with the wrong person. However u took my original post, I wasn't at all trying to argue Jennings vs. Ellis, I was simply criticizing the person who created the Ellis/Jennings debate in the first place by putting them together in the same starting backcourt (that is to say Professor John Hammonds). In some ways I actually agree with u as far as advantages that Ellis has over Jennings that make him a better candidate to keep if we had to choose to between trading one or the other, I could go either way, but in Jennings' defense he does have to play almost all of his minutes with Monta f*cking Ellis as his shooting guard.


i'll just say jennings sucks no matter who the sg is. sucks balls sucks. the only thing about teaming him with ellis thats worth discussing is that we have the worst nightmare version of ellis is jennings playing a much more important position on the team at pg in jennings.

the guys who would rather have jennings over ellis mind boggle me. its like saying theyd rather ellis get worse and play pg. thats like the worst of all scenarios.

Like I said, you're arguing with the wrong person. All I know from watching every single minute of every game this season however is that the times when I see Jennings doing things that make him a valuable player on the court have almost exclusively been when Ellis has been on the bench. U also have to remember that if u advocate trading Jennings instead of Ellis (which, for the right deal, I could definitely get behind), u probably need to think about who u want as the Bucks point guard going forward starting next season because I believe Ellis will opt out and leave at the end of this season if the Bucks don't trade him...
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Post#78 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:33 pm by JBucks

I was actually thinking after the Rockets loss that if the Bucks were blown to pieces Saturday night against Indiana, Skiles might be gone. Guess not, though. Kohl must be that desperate for the 8th seed and a couple games' cash at home.
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Post#79 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:39 pm by whatthe_buck!?

AussieBuck wrote:There are no words that wouldn't get me banned to describe what I think of Hammonds still having fans here. The guy is a **** ****.

On the other hand, getting banned for losing it and cussing out Hammond for all the missed opportunities in some hypothetical all-time epic post is definitely pretty much the most glorious way u could go out... I wouldn't wanna lose u as a poster but at the same time I wouldn't fault u for it or not be proud of u for having the stones to do it... :D
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Post#80 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:54 pm by crkone

AussieBuck wrote:There are no words that wouldn't get me banned to describe what I think of Hammonds still having fans here. The guy is a **** ****.


Even though the Ridnour/Sessions thing didn't turn out as expected :lol: my xtranormal movie from '09 still holds up!

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1530321 ... h-a-douche

:lol:
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Post#81 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:01 pm by SkilesTheLimit

JBucks wrote:Watch Hammond fire Skiles and go on the sideline himself.


Would be the most hilarious thing I'd see as a Bucks fan....

Also would love to hear what McGlocklin thinks as well off the record. I'm sure, based on his apparent frustration in broadcasts this year, that he has a whole lot to say about the current state of the organization. Main questions for him would be:

a) Does Herb Kohl meddle as much as we think?
b) Should the Bucks blow it up and rebuild?
c) Does Hammond know what he's doing or have a plan?
d) What do you really think of the Jennings/Ellis duo?
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Post#82 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:15 pm by LUKE23

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:hammond has drafted well and taken some decent swings with his trades. other than gooden who was a skiles guy you cant really hate on anything else he did...... it just hasnt worked out.


The Gooden deal was indefensible. Maggette had a huge chance of blowing up. Salmons was coming off an outlier production period. Bogut for Ellis was inexcusable.

The only thing Hammond has done well is draft in the 10+ range. His FA moves and trades have been horrible.
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Post#83 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:17 pm by blazza18

"They've played well together," Hammond said


Does not surprise me one bit he thinks that. PPGZZZ
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Post#84 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:17 pm by LUKE23

And the team is easily better without Monta. Some of you guys are insane.
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Post#85 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:21 pm by JBucks

Insanity is thinking that this team has a core worth building around. They can all go.
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Post#86 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:28 pm by whatthe_buck!?

LUKE23 wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:hammond has drafted well and taken some decent swings with his trades. other than gooden who was a skiles guy you cant really hate on anything else he did...... it just hasnt worked out.


The Gooden deal was indefensible. Maggette had a huge chance of blowing up. Salmons was coming off an outlier production period. Bogut for Ellis was inexcusable.

The only thing Hammond has done well is draft in the 10+ range. His FA moves and trades have been horrible.

Bolded for truth.

Edit: And the one trade he couldve done pretty well on (salmons to sactown for beno and a higher draft slot) he squandered the value he would've added in the simultaneous Charlotte trade. Terrible. And telling. And, looking back, i give him little to no credit for the Bulls/Salmons trade because Salmons production post-trade was pure luck and the only reason it was even possible to make that trade was because of the novel situation of the bulls -among other teams- trying to clear cap space for the summer of Lebron's free agency. That was a situation that will never repeat itself and we were probably the only team that was even in the market to get that deal from the bulls because nobody else was dumb enough to try to help the bulls clear cap space to try to get them room to sign Lebron and a second max player. Honestly, if Hammond wasn't incompetent he probably could have gotten more from the bulls, and he was lucky as f*ck that his trade didn't result in the bulls getting Lebron and Wade (or some other combination of Lebron + one of the other max caliber players that summer).
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Post#87 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:37 pm by Run-MKE 311

Ugh, this season is getting frustrating. I like some of our young pieces, but both Skiles & Hammond are not encouraging a lot of confidence.

This once proud franchise needs a huge shot in the arm.
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Post#88 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:52 pm by giraldo5

Baddy Chuck wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:but Jennings is a better point guard then either of our two options left for 30 minutes a game.


I'm talking dealing Jennings for Lowry and getting a new starting PG.

And europa is saying if he had to choose between Monta or Brandon, Lowry not involved.


Give me Ellis as I am terrified of them matching a Jennings extension.
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In shape 18-22 year olds running out of gas? Hilarious.
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Post#89 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 6:37 pm by InsideOut

Bringing Hammond back would be such a typical Bucks move.

Bucks have one winning season.

An NBA best finish of 15th.

Make the playoffs 1 out of 4 (maybe 5) years.

He hasn't added one guy that is a unanimous top 15 player at any position.

In 4.5 years the guy hasn't brought in a single core asset via trade or FA. Some might say Ellis but he needed Bogut which came from LH to do it.

His best draft pick (BJ) is a guy most want traded and the rest are a couple guys with "potential".

If this guy was a Packer GM the organization would have fired him years ago and if they didn't the fans would literally be storming Lambeau. Ask yourself, would the Packers put up with a GM with Hammonds resume. This is why the Packers are winners and the Bucks are irrelevant in this state. One team won't stand for mediocrity while the other embraces it.
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Post#90 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 6:56 pm by GHOSTofSIKMA

InsideOut wrote:
In 4.5 years the guy hasn't brought in a single core asset via trade or FA. Some might say Ellis but he needed Bogut which came from LH to do it.


jennings, monta, sanders, and possibly even ersan when he playing well would all probably be considered around top 15 talents for their positions in the league. i know the board wouldnt agree and theyd probably be mostly right.... but i get the sense that around the league they are valued that way.
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Post#91 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:26 pm by LUKE23

Two of those are draft picks, he said trade/FA. Sanders is the only one of those three with significant trade value, IMO.

He hasn't done bad in the draft, you could even argue he's done well with respect to position in totality. But there is no way you can argue he's been good in FA/trade. And for a win now team that never drafts high, that's going to remain paramount.
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Post#92 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:38 pm by InsideOut

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
InsideOut wrote:
In 4.5 years the guy hasn't brought in a single core asset via trade or FA. Some might say Ellis but he needed Bogut which came from LH to do it.


jennings, monta, sanders, and possibly even ersan when he playing well would all probably be considered around top 15 talents for their positions in the league. i know the board wouldnt agree and theyd probably be mostly right.... but i get the sense that around the league they are valued that way.


"The board would agree they're not top 15 and you agree they'd probably be right..."

Not sure if you are defending Hammond or criticizing him?

Jennings...isn't he the guy you hate and think is a major problem and want gone?
Isn't Ellis like the least efficient 15 ppg scorer in the league?
Ersan...I'll assume that was a joke.
Sanders...got much better but no consistency at this point.


At the end of 5 years if Hammond hasn't added one guy that is a no-brainer top 15 player at a position wouldn't you agree that is a horrendous job of acquiring talent? Off the top of my head the only team that may have done worse is the Bobcats. In 4.5 years please name me Hammonds best move? The move where his biggest fan can point to it and say Hammond can’t be all bad because he got us....
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Post#93 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:53 pm by VooDoo7

Hammond said last week that the Bucks have already told Jennings, however, that they will match any offer he gets.

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Post#94 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 9:02 pm by GHOSTofSIKMA

InsideOut wrote:
Not sure if you are defending Hammond or criticizing him?

Jennings...isn't he the guy you hate and think is a major problem and want gone?
Isn't Ellis like the least efficient 15 ppg scorer in the league?
Ersan...I'll assume that was a joke.
Sanders...got much better but no consistency at this point.


At the end of 5 years if Hammond hasn't added one guy that is a no-brainer top 15 player at a position wouldn't you agree that is a horrendous job of acquiring talent? Off the top of my head the only team that may have done worse is the Bobcats. In 4.5 years please name me Hammonds best move? The move where his biggest fan can point to it and say Hammond can’t be all bad because he got us....


not really criticizing or condemning. more like just watching..... theres alot of ways this could go from here in the near future.

..jennings and monta have value around the league..... not to me or any metrics guys but they have it regardless
..ersan is coveted by contending teams presumably as a starter
..sanders has basically turned into a stud... top 15 if i was drafting starting centers in the league
..putting mam on the block would draw massive interest from all over
..dunleavy is a 6th man of the year candidate again. id assume we get calls for him
..udoh and harris could be packaged for a top 15 starter if they were overpaid on the wrong team. they could be kept and developed if the right coach was in place
..henson seems like a solid player
..udrih and dalembert are the exact kind of expiring trade assets teams would like to have

so were positioned really well in alot of ways. saying weve assemebled more than only the bobcats is a crock. id say were in better shape than about 1/2 the league without mortgaging one cent of our future or cash position to do it. we need to consolidate some guys, get a better blend on offense, and we need a true number #1 like all really decent teams inevitably have.

this team needs some work and a little more time. its not all bad despite the recent losing streak. i can think of some things to compliment hammond on considering his working orders. alot of win now .500 teams in backside of the playoff hunt would have arrived where we are with alot worse options. alot of teams with an owners win now mandate arent even sniffing where we are. who should take a little credit for that in our front office exactly?
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Post#95 Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next
Mon Jan 7, 2013 10:05 pm by InsideOut

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
InsideOut wrote:
In 4.5 years please name me Hammonds best move? The move where his biggest fan can point to it and say Hammond can’t be all bad because he got us....



id say were in better shape than about 1/2 the league



As usual I feel the exact opposite. Last I saw ESPN had our futures ranking at 25th.

You never answered my question. In 4.5 years what has has been Hammond's best move?
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