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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#91 » by LUKE23 » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:26 pm

Two of those are draft picks, he said trade/FA. Sanders is the only one of those three with significant trade value, IMO.

He hasn't done bad in the draft, you could even argue he's done well with respect to position in totality. But there is no way you can argue he's been good in FA/trade. And for a win now team that never drafts high, that's going to remain paramount.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#92 » by InsideOut » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:38 pm

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In 4.5 years the guy hasn't brought in a single core asset via trade or FA. Some might say Ellis but he needed Bogut which came from LH to do it.


jennings, monta, sanders, and possibly even ersan when he playing well would all probably be considered around top 15 talents for their positions in the league. i know the board wouldnt agree and theyd probably be mostly right.... but i get the sense that around the league they are valued that way.


"The board would agree they're not top 15 and you agree they'd probably be right..."

Not sure if you are defending Hammond or criticizing him?

Jennings...isn't he the guy you hate and think is a major problem and want gone?
Isn't Ellis like the least efficient 15 ppg scorer in the league?
Ersan...I'll assume that was a joke.
Sanders...got much better but no consistency at this point.


At the end of 5 years if Hammond hasn't added one guy that is a no-brainer top 15 player at a position wouldn't you agree that is a horrendous job of acquiring talent? Off the top of my head the only team that may have done worse is the Bobcats. In 4.5 years please name me Hammonds best move? The move where his biggest fan can point to it and say Hammond can’t be all bad because he got us....
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#93 » by VooDoo7 » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:53 pm

Hammond said last week that the Bucks have already told Jennings, however, that they will match any offer he gets.

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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#94 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Jan 7, 2013 10:02 pm

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Not sure if you are defending Hammond or criticizing him?

Jennings...isn't he the guy you hate and think is a major problem and want gone?
Isn't Ellis like the least efficient 15 ppg scorer in the league?
Ersan...I'll assume that was a joke.
Sanders...got much better but no consistency at this point.


At the end of 5 years if Hammond hasn't added one guy that is a no-brainer top 15 player at a position wouldn't you agree that is a horrendous job of acquiring talent? Off the top of my head the only team that may have done worse is the Bobcats. In 4.5 years please name me Hammonds best move? The move where his biggest fan can point to it and say Hammond can’t be all bad because he got us....


not really criticizing or condemning. more like just watching..... theres alot of ways this could go from here in the near future.

..jennings and monta have value around the league..... not to me or any metrics guys but they have it regardless
..ersan is coveted by contending teams presumably as a starter
..sanders has basically turned into a stud... top 15 if i was drafting starting centers in the league
..putting mam on the block would draw massive interest from all over
..dunleavy is a 6th man of the year candidate again. id assume we get calls for him
..udoh and harris could be packaged for a top 15 starter if they were overpaid on the wrong team. they could be kept and developed if the right coach was in place
..henson seems like a solid player
..udrih and dalembert are the exact kind of expiring trade assets teams would like to have

so were positioned really well in alot of ways. saying weve assemebled more than only the bobcats is a crock. id say were in better shape than about 1/2 the league without mortgaging one cent of our future or cash position to do it. we need to consolidate some guys, get a better blend on offense, and we need a true number #1 like all really decent teams inevitably have.

this team needs some work and a little more time. its not all bad despite the recent losing streak. i can think of some things to compliment hammond on considering his working orders. alot of win now .500 teams in backside of the playoff hunt would have arrived where we are with alot worse options. alot of teams with an owners win now mandate arent even sniffing where we are. who should take a little credit for that in our front office exactly?
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#95 » by InsideOut » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:05 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
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In 4.5 years please name me Hammonds best move? The move where his biggest fan can point to it and say Hammond can’t be all bad because he got us....



id say were in better shape than about 1/2 the league



As usual I feel the exact opposite. Last I saw ESPN had our futures ranking at 25th.

You never answered my question. In 4.5 years what has has been Hammond's best move?
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#96 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:15 pm

InsideOut wrote:You never answered my question. In 4.5 years what has has been Hammond's best move?

Drafting the Sanders we've seen for 30 games.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#97 » by InsideOut » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:49 pm

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InsideOut wrote:You never answered my question. In 4.5 years what has has been Hammond's best move?

Drafting the Sanders we've seen for 30 games.


Or the 30 games of Salmons?
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#98 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:52 pm

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InsideOut wrote:You never answered my question. In 4.5 years what has has been Hammond's best move?

Drafting the Sanders we've seen for 30 games.


Or the 30 games of Salmons?

Maybe. In the end that ended up as a first round knockout and a bad contact (which turned into Stephen Jackson). Larry looks like he could be our starting center for a while. I'd put that ahead when you're looking at it 10 years from now.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#99 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:53 am

I just don't really see how see we have great assets. If you want to make a true push and go all in, you probably make it to the second round and that's about it. If you try to blow it up, you really don't have a whole lot of value.

Pryzbilla and Daniels are completely worthless.
Gooden has ridiculously negative value. I'm not even sure you could add him in any deal without there being an overpaid 3+ year player in it.
Lamb, Dalembert and Udrih are probably second round picks and a meh expiring.
Dunleavy as an expiring is probably a pretty easy second or a B/C list prospect, I doubt many teams are giving you a first for 30 games of him.
Udoh is probably a similar type B/C list prospect at a different position (Brooks maybe) or maybe a late first/early second.
I don't think Ersan has as much value as you think. Would he look good on a contender or an all in team? Yes, but they aren't going to give much for him. With the deal he signed you'd probably be lucky to get an expiring with nothing else or more then likely a bad/meh contract and some type of pick or prospect.
Henson and Tobes are players most of us obviously like, but I doubt their values around the league are very high. I doubt you'd get a higher of a pick then either of them were taken at (mid first).
Brandon and Monta are probably around the same type of value. I doubt either are getting you a top 10 pick or a good prospect. You'd probably get some package of a mid first with maybe a prospect or two.
Sanders is probably your best bet at a lottery pick. You'd likely get into the later lottery with him but if you are rebuilding do you really trade him?

We have a lot of pieces, but we really don't have a whole lot of value. I mean, he had a mess when we came here with contracts, but Redd and Bogut at the time Hammond got them would be by far our best two pieces then we have now. He did a good job at clearing the books and picking up decent prospects, but we really don't have a whole lot to show for the time he's been here.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#100 » by Kerb Hohl » Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:33 am

Getting the trump card, Livingston, secretly in that Charlotte deal IMO was his best move.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#101 » by tyland » Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:53 am

Aldridge must hate his editor. Clearly meant next week, not next season.

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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#102 » by ampd » Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:48 am

InsideOut wrote:As usual I feel the exact opposite. Last I saw ESPN had our futures ranking at 25th.


Those future rankings are a pointless waste of every minute anyone spends on them. But yeah. Idunno that our future is guaranteed to be all that bright.

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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#103 » by AussieBuck » Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:50 am

Hammond by position:
PG:
Traded Mo, got Back 2 years and $13 million of Luke Ridnour.
Signed Tyronn Lue to his last NBA contact for $2.5 million.

Drafted Brandon Jennings ahead of Lawson and Holiday also tried to trade up for Flynn.
Got nothing in return for Ramon Sessions because $4 million was too much to pay a possible backup.


Traded for and later bought out Roko Ono.
Signed Earl Boykins to his last full season contract for $1.5 million.
Signed Keyon Dooling to his last NBA contract 2 year a little more than $4 million.

Acquired Livingston in Jackson trade 1 year $3.5 million plus $1 million guaranteed.
Acquired Beno in Jackson trade 2 years $14 million.

Declined Stephen Curry for Bogut deal

Used a second to get rid of Dooling.
Livingston's salary is used in Dalembert deal.

Heh, I thought this would be one of the better positions during the Hammond reign of terror before I started. Should I keep going?
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#104 » by tyland » Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:57 am

AussieBuck wrote:Signed Keyon Dooling to his last NBA contract 2 year a little more than $4 million.


Admittedly Dooling would still be playing in the NBA except for his mental breakdown and now dealing with the fact he was molested as a child.

Otherwise, the above is a sad state of affairs. I too thought PG would be a better position. Can you do the other positions for the LOL's?
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#105 » by AussieBuck » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:03 am

tyland wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Signed Keyon Dooling to his last NBA contract 2 year a little more than $4 million.


Admittedly Dooling would still be playing in the NBA except for his mental breakdown and now dealing with the fact he was molested as a child.

Otherwise, the above is a sad state of affairs. I too thought PG would be a better position. Can you do the other positions for the LOL's?

Eh, he'd be playing in Boston Scalabrine style. Not that big a difference.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#106 » by blazza18 » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:08 am

Aldridge should of reported - Skiles Unlikely To Return Tomorrow. :lol:



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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#107 » by tyland » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:45 am

AussieBuck wrote:
tyland wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Signed Keyon Dooling to his last NBA contract 2 year a little more than $4 million.


Admittedly Dooling would still be playing in the NBA except for his mental breakdown and now dealing with the fact he was molested as a child.

Otherwise, the above is a sad state of affairs. I too thought PG would be a better position. Can you do the other positions for the LOL's?

Eh, he'd be playing in Boston Scalabrine style. Not that big a difference.


You say that like Scalabrine isn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time :dontknow:
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#108 » by AussieBuck » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:48 am

tyland wrote:
You say that like Scalabrine isn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time :dontknow:

Touche'
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#109 » by beyond_the_arc » Tue Jan 8, 2013 5:05 am

JBucks wrote:I would love to hear what McGlocklin has to say about this team in private.


He's retiring at the end of the season.
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Re: Aldridge: Skiles Unlikely To Return Next Season 

Post#110 » by tyland » Tue Jan 8, 2013 5:08 am

beyond_the_arc wrote:
JBucks wrote:I would love to hear what McGlocklin has to say about this team in private.


He's retiring at the end of the season.


Given what has occurred in reference to this thread, does that mean that he is retiring tomorrow? :P
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