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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#31 » by Thunder Muscle » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:11 pm

Not questioning whether Ers' numbers are close to career norms but is that the production you want for 8m per? With Henson emerging is he expendable? I wasn't in favour of the signing anyway sothat might be behind my wish to trade him.


Below is a sample of players of similiar players around Ersan's contract range. Looking at their career per 36 #'s, O/D ratings, etc. Ersan is the best 3PT shooter, 2nd for TS% behind Odom, 3rd in FG%, 2nd in PPG, 1st in RPG, and 2nd in Offensive Rating, and tied for second in Defensive Rating. So he appears to be in line for what he is getting paid.

And obviously this is not the end all, be all but just a sampling of how he compares to players that are getting paid around what he is. And I understand if you don't want to be paying Ersan another 4 years to be an Ariza or Charlie V like player, then I totally get wanting to trade him.

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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#32 » by CanadaBucks » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:13 pm

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mlloyd10 wrote:Udoh/filler for Mayo
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This is the one where you are off considerably on trade values.

Mayo is averaging basically 18/4/4 on a 58% TS. And Cuban has the cap space and money to keep Mayo this offseason if he wants to.

It would take someone like Henson to get his attention for Mayo. Maybe he'd take Monta but only if he thought Monta could draw in Dwight. But I'd have to think Dwight and Paul would much rather play with Mayo than Monta.


Not sure why Utah trades Ellis for Jefferson even disregarding value, can't see them only going with Kanter at centre.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#33 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:16 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:Not sure why Utah trades Ellis for Jefferson even disregarding value, can't see them only going with Kanter at centre.


Not saying they would do it, but I think they'd at least listen on the phone. If they had received anything top shelf for Al Jeff the last two years, they would have dealt him by now.

Jefferson is a free agent and unlike Mayo, he's pretty much established his ceiling around the league. They've got to open up playing time and cash for not only Kanter down there but Favors and Milsap. And I'm not sure a lot of others in the league view Jefferson as a guy you can win with since his defense is so poor and he demands the ball so much. He's sort of the Monta of PF's.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#34 » by mlloyd10 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:26 pm

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mlloyd10 wrote:Udoh/filler for Mayo
I


This is the one where you are off considerably on trade values.

Mayo is averaging basically 18/4/4 on a 58% TS. And Cuban has the cap space and money to keep Mayo this offseason if he wants to.

It would take someone like Henson to get his attention for Mayo. Maybe he'd take Monta but only if he thought Monta could draw in Dwight. But I'd have to think Dwight and Paul would much rather play with Mayo than Monta.


I admit that he has higher value, but if they are out of it, wouldn't you trade for something and then resign him in the off season

Also, didn't you say that Udoh could get Dudley straight up. Dudley has an extremely friendly contract (probably half of what Mayo will get) and is averaging 14/4/3 per 36 on a 60% TS
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#35 » by BankIt » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:57 pm

Max Green wrote:Ersan - Daly - Gooden for Gasol

Ersan - Daly for Gasol

Ersan - Daly - Udoh for Gasol

All 3 of those trades work in the trade checker and I would do any one of those. I'd prefer to keep Beno, but if LA insists on him I would trade him and take back Duhon or Meeks.



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Post#36 » by mlloyd10 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:47 pm

The basic trade that most nets fans here and ESPN wouldn't mind involving Ersan and the Nets is Ersan/Daly for Humphries/Brooks. Would we do this?
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Post#37 » by LUKE23 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:48 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:The basic trade that most nets fans here and ESPN wouldn't mind involving Ersan and the Nets is Ersan/Daly for Humphries/Brooks. Would we do this?


I wouldn't. I don't like either of those players.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#38 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:51 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:The basic trade that most nets fans here and ESPN wouldn't mind involving Ersan and the Nets is Ersan/Daly for Humphries/Brooks. Would we do this?


This deal makes no sense to me. We trade the best player in Ersan and take back a far inferior player in Humphries who is owed $12 million next year.

Going back to the earlier discussion on this, I'll take Humphries back in that deal if we can add in Gooden and not Dalembert.
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Post#39 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:54 pm

I would probably do Gooden and Ersan for Hump/Brooks but that's about it. No team is taking on Hump without giving up some seriously bad contracts so we'd be stuck with him though.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#40 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:56 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:I would probably do Gooden and Ersan for Hump/Brooks but that's about it. No team is taking on Hump without giving up some seriously bad contracts so we'd be stuck with him though.


I'd rather go the Pau route as you would also.

But if you want to clean up our contract mess, we'd unload $38 million of Ersan/Gooden future owed money for $12mm of Hump money. And get Brooks as the throw in. I'd make that deal all day long based on the money involved. $26 million extra and Brooks is easily worth the downgrade from Ersan to Humprhies.
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Post#41 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:57 am

You can officially trade Ersan on the ESPN trade checker ;).
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#42 » by Chapter29 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:12 pm

I really have zero interest in Pau. If we are going to trade Ersan it should be for a wing player.

I believe freeing up some time for Henson is of value and I also have little faith in Harris this year. I would love a real SF who could slide to SG who can shoot and defend. OK ~30 teams want that too, but hey that imo is our need.

Pau Gasol people? Really? We want another overpaid has been? So we can all talk about why he isn't what he was and we have 20M or whatever on the books? We have a scorer in Henson.

Go get Rudy Gay if you really want to do something. At least he's not in his 30's.
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Post#43 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:17 pm

Does anybody consider Derrick Williams a wing?
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#44 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:19 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:You can officially trade Ersan on the ESPN trade checker ;).


I'm in. Bring on the unnamed league sources during Woelfel's radio appearance today.
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Post#45 » by Lippo » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:14 pm

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Post#46 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:38 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:I would probably do Gooden and Ersan for Hump/Brooks but that's about it. No team is taking on Hump without giving up some seriously bad contracts so we'd be stuck with him though.


What if we got both Brooks and Taylor?
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#47 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:08 pm

Last 21 games he's got a TS% of .558, and offensive rating of 117 and defensive rating of 103. 23 mpg. 2nd to Dunleavy Jr. on the season for plus/minus. Per 100 possessions, they're currently 8.4 points better with him on the court, also 2nd to Dunleavy.
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Post#48 » by LUKE23 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:15 pm

I see zero reason to seek out an Ilyasova deal. That doesn't mean I wouldn't listen to offers if we're getting assets back. But I don't feel the need to salary dump him whatsoever.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#49 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:37 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I see zero reason to seek out an Ilyasova deal. That doesn't mean I wouldn't listen to offers if we're getting assets back. But I don't feel the need to salary dump him whatsoever.



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Post#50 » by LedZepp007 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:38 pm

I don't think we should, but if we want a win now team, definitely trade illy and dally for gasol. That brings us scoring punch in the starting lineup. Pair him with sanders an our defense doesn't suck. Gives Jennings and Monta the option for a real pick and roll.
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