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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#91 » by Man Strength » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:03 am

DrugBust wrote:I'd trade you guys Henson. Just give up MKG.


figured (im a unc guy too). do you think sanders and henson can play together? pretty similar players.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#92 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:05 am

Man Strength wrote:
DrugBust wrote:I'd trade you guys Henson. Just give up MKG.


figured (im a unc guy too). do you think sanders and henson can play together? pretty similar players.

It's amazing how he's changed from college to the NBA if you haven't seen it. Henson looks amazing in the post and completely lost on defense. He's playing absolutely nothing like Larry.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#93 » by Man Strength » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:40 am

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Man Strength wrote:
DrugBust wrote:I'd trade you guys Henson. Just give up MKG.


figured (im a unc guy too). do you think sanders and henson can play together? pretty similar players.

It's amazing how he's changed from college to the NBA if you haven't seen it. Henson looks amazing in the post and completely lost on defense. He's playing absolutely nothing like Larry.


fair enough. Ive seen a bit, but cant say I watch the Bucks regularly. It will take him some time to get used to the physicality. he does project to be a defensive force though. Ive been impressed with his per minute numbers. He also has surprisingly good lateral quickness for a big man, which helps him guard the perimeter and pick n roll.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#94 » by showtimesam » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:49 pm

Unless we are getting a Lemarcus Aldridge type upgrade we need to hold onto Ersan, give him his 30 mpg and let him play.

Ersan/Sanders/Henson should make for a great 3 man Big rotation long term assuming Henson can bulk up just a bit to handle both backup PF and Center minutes.

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Post#95 » by emunney » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:27 pm

Man Strength wrote:i wouldnt do it if i were you either. just figuring out the perception on his value. what about if we switched warrick to biyombo?


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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#96 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:46 am

Differing twitter views on Pau tonight.

Bill Simmons thinks he's still got a lot left in the tank but that D'Antoni has halved his market value by screwing this up the way he's handling the Laker roster.

Our friend Alex Kennedy sees no market for Pau. Views him as a 32-year old on a major decline with bad knees and owed $19 million next year.

Frank Madden thinks it might still be worth rolling the dice sending them Ersan in a Pau deal.
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Post#97 » by SkilesTheLimit » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:51 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Differing twitter views on Pau tonight.

Bill Simmons thinks he's still got a lot left in the tank but that D'Antoni has halved his market value by screwing this up the way he's handling the Laker roster.

Our friend Alex Kennedy sees no market for Pau. Views him as a 32-year old on a major decline with bad knees and owed $19 million next year.

Frank Madden thinks it might still be worth rolling the dice sending them Ersan in a Pau deal.


The Lakers are all about trading/signing the premier names out there. They rarely trade big names for average-unknown players. I think many fans outside of Milwaukee around the league will be saying "They traded Pau for Ersan who?"

That's one reason why I just can't see the Bucks putting together a package that could interest them.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#98 » by ampd » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:53 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Differing twitter views on Pau tonight.

Bill Simmons thinks he's still got a lot left in the tank but that D'Antoni has halved his market value by screwing this up the way he's handling the Laker roster.

Our friend Alex Kennedy sees no market for Pau. Views him as a 32-year old on a major decline with bad knees and owed $19 million next year.

Frank Madden thinks it might still be worth rolling the dice sending them Ersan in a Pau deal.

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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#99 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:19 am

Bucks F Ersan Ilyasova 'getting his groove back'.

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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#100 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Apr 4, 2013 8:57 pm

One of the few bright spots on the team this season. He's obviously ended up being a bargain and one of the best non-rookie deals in the league.

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Since the All-Star Break:
19.1 ppg
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All that said, he's going to keep the Bucks from tanking. If they did decide to blow it up, he and Sanders could keep them out of high lotto territory. Both should have significant value this summer and IF they want to completely start over, I'm fine moving both for projectable assets and '14 picks. I'd struggle to come up with an answer if I were making a decision on which to keep if we did hold on to one.
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Post#101 » by LUKE23 » Thu Apr 4, 2013 9:14 pm

Sanders and it isn't close if I had to keep one, but I'd agree Ilyasova is our second best player pretty clearly.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#102 » by coolhandluke121 » Thu Apr 4, 2013 9:19 pm

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All that said, he's going to keep the Bucks from tanking. If they did decide to blow it up, he and Sanders could keep them out of high lotto territory. Both should have significant value this summer and IF they want to completely start over, I'm fine moving both for projectable assets and '14 picks. I'd struggle to come up with an answer if I were making a decision on which to keep if we did hold on to one.


This is the problem with the Bucks and with the Eastern conference in general. It doesn't take superstar talent to keep you from competing for top picks. In the West, you can have a guy like Love or Durant before his prime and you'll still get a few more top picks for a few years. You can put together a good core, even if you miss on one or two of your top draft picks. In the East, if you draft one all-star, or two borderline all-stars, it's not long before you're already too good to tank. You want to keep players like Ersan and Sanders (or, a few years ago, Bogut) but just that alone makes you too good tank - even if you trade a lot of vets and sit your best players with bogus injuries for the last 2 months. The true tanking teams are doing all those things, but without the quality players like Sanders and Ersan, who give you a 4 or 5 game disadvantage when it comes to competing for draft picks.

I hate to say it, but if the Bucks really want to rebuild they would have to consider trading Sanders and Ersan for good draft picks and get their own good draft picks as well. I know it's counter-intuitive to trade good young players when you're trying to rebuild, but the fact is that it's going to be very hard to compete for good picks with Sanders and Ersan on the team, and it's going to be very hard to build a good team around them because you don't have that much else in the way of highly desirable assets.

I'm usually the first guy to call for a rebuild, but I'd like to keep Ersan and Sanders and see what can be done to get a good team - even if there is no real chance of getting a superstar. If Ellis and Redick play to career norms, rather than playing the way they both did when they first got traded to Milwaukee, and if Jennings is traded for a servicable pro, and if LRMAM gets healthy and they get a coach who helps players play to their strengths, I could still see this being a good team.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#103 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Apr 4, 2013 10:05 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Sanders and it isn't close if I had to keep one, but I'd agree Ilyasova is our second best player pretty clearly.


I probably would too. Bigger impact, we have Henson.

Only thing that would give me pause is

1 - If my goal is to tank for a star player, I want losses and Sanders is probably going to get us more wins.

2 - Sanders isn't locked up long term yet, could get a monster deal, while Ersan is a bargain

3 - Sanders' technical foul issue. He's approaching Sheed territory without all the talent.

Like I said, I'd still probably take Sanders given all that, but my preference would be to move them both.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#104 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Apr 4, 2013 11:24 pm

I'm still not swayed that Ersan is as good as his recent numbers suggest. Primarily defensively. That said, he's now worked his way into being a sweet tradeable asset.

I think you could aim high for assets like Bledsoe in the off-season depending on what happens with the Clips. Looking at the lotto teams, maybe Grunfeld considers giving up the current #10 pick for him which might pull you Oladipo.

But given that he likes it in Milwaukee and is producing very well for his contract I can't see the Bucks dealing him at all.
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Post#105 » by gbmb34 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 2:35 am

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Post#106 » by ampd » Fri Apr 5, 2013 3:00 am

paulpressey25 wrote:But given that he likes it in Milwaukee and is producing very well for his contract I can't see the Bucks dealing him at all.


Ersan has been flat out awesome the past 2 seasons when his minutes haven't been in constant flux. He seems to have developed some chemistry with Monta and has even gotten more aggressive in the post and driving to the basket.

We finally signed someone to what looks like at least a fair contract, if not a favorable one, I'd rather not dump him for a prospect unless we are going full on tank
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#107 » by linguini8 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 4:57 am

Not sure why so many people are For giving up on Ersan. He's on a good contract and fits well with Larry. He has heart and always plays with great effort. Those are the kinds of players you need on a rebuilding team. You need your signed veterans playing their hardest and showing how it's done. Example A of why NOT to re-sign Brandon Jennings.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#108 » by tonyreyes123 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 7:37 am

Gotta keep Ersan, dude has been on the Bucks forever.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#109 » by Garbs_7 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 7:48 am

Yeah I understand he is a good asset now but if we deal him, we are going to be spending that money on likely a guy who wont give half the effort or even production we get from Ers. I'm actually pretty happy with an Ersan / Sanders frontcourt especially as Larry grows and matures and they get more comfortable together. This is really their first year full time starting together and they have both been pretty damn good, imagine a year or two together.

Sort out the backcourt and wings first, i'm pretty happy with Larry / Ers frontcourt.
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Re: Ersan trade eligibility on January 15th 

Post#110 » by blazza18 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 7:53 am

Pretty happy he got back to not being **** house. The production from Ersan and Larry is the only positive for me to take out of the season.
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