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Re: ATL: KG Barks, Melo cries, Knicks hire spies. 

Post#256 » by LUKE23 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:20 pm

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Their entire plan is a complete pipe dream.

Neither Dwight nor Chris Paul is leaving LA for Atlanta.


For one, nobody knows. Secondly, Atlanta is going to try, that is why they are currently holding the most cap space in the NBA. They aren't jeopardizing that in a year they aren't contending to add Pau and $19M on their cap. They currently can offer two max deals.

Also, both Paul and Howard are from the area, so it's not like it has zero chance of happening.
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Post#257 » by tski1972 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:20 pm

Jon Leuer is on his way to being the most traded player in NBA history.
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Post#258 » by CanadaBucks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:26 pm

tski1972 wrote:Jon Leuer is on his way to being the most traded player in NBA history.



Perhaps playing with Gooden got him ready for it.
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Post#259 » by drew881 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:30 pm

So is watching the Lakers implode more fun this year than watching Detroit beat them in the finals when they had Payton and Malone? Its a tough call.
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Post#260 » by CanadaBucks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:31 pm

drew881 wrote:So is watching the Lakers implode more fun this year than watching Detroit beat them in the finals when they had Payton and Malone? Its a tough call.



If they miss the playoffs this is better for sure.
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Post#261 » by jeremyd236 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:35 pm

The horrible misuse of Gasol last night basically confirms that Ersan should be enough to get Gasol if that's what Hammond wants to do. Gasol was standing out on the three point line more than I'd ever personally have him (he's a legit 7 footer with skills). Ersan can perform that duty a lot better than Gasol, if Dantoni wants that out of his PF. Throw in Dalembert so they get the backup C they want.
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Post#262 » by Badgerlander » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:52 pm

tski1972 wrote:Jon Leuer is on his way to being the most traded player in NBA history.


Now that Hollinger has him I doubt he lets him go anywhere again
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Post#263 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:01 pm

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Their entire plan is a complete pipe dream.

Neither Dwight nor Chris Paul is leaving LA for Atlanta.


For one, nobody knows. Secondly, Atlanta is going to try, that is why they are currently holding the most cap space in the NBA. They aren't jeopardizing that in a year they aren't contending to add Pau and $19M on their cap. They currently can offer two max deals.

Also, both Paul and Howard are from the area, so it's not like it has zero chance of happening.



Worked out great for the Mavs.

Deron Williams is from Dallas.
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Post#264 » by Badgerlander » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:02 pm

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According to sources, King was planning to contact the Minnesota Timberwolves in order to gauge their interest in a three-team trade that would send Kevin Love to the Lakers, Brook Lopez to the Timberwolves and Dwight Howard to the Nets. Other small pieces would need to be included, but the proposed trade was thought to be intriguing enough to start conversations in the Lakers front office that would force them to deal with Howard earlier than planned.

That idea, however, was hurt when Love was sidelined 8-10 weeks with a broken hand. The Nets believed the Lakers would be interested in Love, but not an injured Love, even if they’re facing missing the playoffs, according to sources.
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Post#265 » by LUKE23 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:03 pm

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Worked out great for the Mavs.

Deron Williams is from Dallas.


What?

What does the Mavs situation have to do with the Hawks? Do you honestly think the Hawks are going to add $19M of Gasol for next year over at least trying to make a big splash? Why in the world would they do that?
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Post#266 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:03 pm

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EastSideBucksFan wrote:I forsee a Pau Gasol & Josh Smith swap going down between Hawks & Lakers......Lakers are going to get some deal that will be much better than our Monta Ellis/Ersan offer.......Josh has been pining to play with Howard for years...they are good buddies.


I think Monta/Ersan is better than Josh Smith personally.

Also hearing a lot of media buzz the last 24 hours thinking the Lakers should trade Dwight and nab assets for him.


Lopez/Tele for Howard?
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Post#267 » by JimmyTheKid » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:03 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Get pissed when I see moves like this. Bucks should be doing things like this, but instead we bring in penisbags like Stephen Jackson, Maggette, and move back in the draft. Just your daily reminder that the Bucks are a **** of a franchise.


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Post#268 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:15 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Get pissed when I see moves like this. Bucks should be doing things like this, but instead we bring in penisbags like Stephen Jackson, Maggette, and move back in the draft. Just your daily reminder that the Bucks are a **** of a franchise.


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Post#269 » by CanadaBucks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:25 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
Their entire plan is a complete pipe dream.

Neither Dwight nor Chris Paul is leaving LA for Atlanta.


For one, nobody knows. Secondly, Atlanta is going to try, that is why they are currently holding the most cap space in the NBA. They aren't jeopardizing that in a year they aren't contending to add Pau and $19M on their cap. They currently can offer two max deals.

Also, both Paul and Howard are from the area, so it's not like it has zero chance of happening.



Worked out great for the Mavs.

Deron Williams is from Dallas.



Actually the way DWill's playing maybe it did work out great. Not sure if he'w worth the max
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Post#270 » by gbmb34 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:47 pm

Paul is from NC.
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Post#271 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:52 pm

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Worked out great for the Mavs.

Deron Williams is from Dallas.


What?

What does the Mavs situation have to do with the Hawks? Do you honestly think the Hawks are going to add $19M of Gasol for next year over at least trying to make a big splash? Why in the world would they do that?



Cap space.

Waiting & hoping for Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

How are you not seeing the parallels?


Why would they take on $19M of Pau Gasol?

Because Josh Smith is going to walk this summer and they will be left with nothing when they fail to convince Dwight or Paul to leave money on the table to come to the Atlanta Hawks.

Pau Gasol is still considered an elite big men by people in this league (not on this forum though) and acquiring him would give them a shot to contend in the east.
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Post#272 » by LUKE23 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:59 pm

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Cap space.

Waiting & hoping for Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

How are you not seeing the parallels?


Why would they take on $19M of Pau Gasol?

Because Josh Smith is going to walk this summer and they will be left with nothing when they fail to convince Dwight or Paul to leave money on the table to come to the Atlanta Hawks.

Pau Gasol is still considered an elite big men by people in this league (not on this forum though) and acquiring him would give them a shot to contend in the east.


For one, the Hawks are not a contender for the East with Gasol. That would put them slightly better than the position they are in now. They would still be hurting badly at PG, SG, and SF. Horford/Gasol is good, but they are projecting to be around a .500 team with Smith/Horford. It's not a contender with Pau.

If you fully believe that tying up $19M in Pau is a better option than going for a huge big long-term strike in FA, regardless of the fact you could strike out, I'm going to disagree strongly with that. It's much better to attempt to be great than it is to know you'll be mediocre or in the 45 win range.

You can disagree all you want, but that is what ATL is attempting to do, via Ferry himself. What sense would it make to clear JJ, Marvin, buyout a few contracts, then go right back and add massive salary with 32/33 year old Gasol, to a roster that is not ready to contend?
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Post#273 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:25 pm

A bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush is what I'm saying.

There aren't any better frontcourts than Horford/Gasol in the east.

With the rest of the cap space they can go out and get help at need positions and make a run next year.


You think Dwight Howard & Chris Paul are each going to leave roughly $30M on the table to join the illustrious and storied Atlanta Hawks organization?

I'm going to have to disagree with that.


If Dwight Howard & Josh Smith are best buds....and I know they are....why would Howard go there when Josh Smith has wanted out for years?
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Post#274 » by LUKE23 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:35 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:A bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush is what I'm saying.

There aren't any better frontcourts than Horford/Gasol in the east.

With the rest of the cap space they can go out and get help at need positions and make a run next year.

You think Dwight Howard & Chris Paul are each going to leave roughly $30M on the table to join the illustrious and storied Atlanta Hawks organization?

I'm going to have to disagree with that.


If Dwight Howard & Josh Smith are best buds....and I know they are....why would Howard go there when Josh Smith has wanted out for years?


There is no way a Gasol in hand is worth more than Paul/Dwight in the bush. None.

Nobody is debating it very well may not happen that both sign there, or even that it is greater than 50/50. But that's not the point of the debate. The point is intention of Atlanta's moves. Trust me when I say they aren't moving Smith for Pau. If they did, they would be completely reversing their plan in less than one years time. If they do strike out on Paul/Howard, they can still save cap space or add other players. It's not like 33 year old Gasol is the top guy out there.
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