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Potential Jennings trade thread (POLL ADDED)

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Would you trade Jennings before the deadline

Yes (if yes, let us know what it would take)
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No (what would you sign him to, long term)
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#81 » by giraldo5 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:28 am

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Bfinkish wrote:Jennings is much more valuable then a lot of you guys think. Not saying the dude is a superstar but wouldn't trade him for Amir and Lowry. Jennings is still only 23. I'm a huge believer in his development. He won't hit his peak till 27ish. Plays hard and cares a lot about the game. I don't hear about him getting in trouble and seems to do a good amount of help in the community. Obvious that he prolly would like to play in Miami or LA but seems to have a good heart with playing in Milwaukee too. He's definitley developed a heart here.

Call me crazy but I believe he is a top 10-12 pg and I would def pay him 4/40. We are Milwauke. There won't be a top 10-12 FA that wants to sign here. If we already have a top 10-12 pg (especially someone that likes it here) then lets pay him and keep focusing somewhere else. Brandon has always had to play w crap next to him - salmons, maggette, sjax, and now Ellis (I'm sure I'm forgetting someone haha). I'd say for being as young as he has he has done what he could. I personally see him developing bit by bit under questionable coaching and poor sg support. I'd say rid ourselves of monta and gooden to clean that up and go from there. I'd be sad to see him traded. Think he could have a Larry sanders year where he completely gets it and goes off. Just gotta get the cancers out.


I could be wrong but that is just my 2 cents.


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2. Irving
3. parker
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo
7. Holiday
8. Curry
9. Rose
10. Lawson
12. Lillard
13. Rubio

I left out Deron, Lawson, Nash, Dragic, Wall, Lowry, Conley, Kemba, Bledsoe, as they can be arued at this point. No way in Hell is he a top 12 PG.



Um you didn't leave Lawson out. You put him on both lists. Lillard already a top 10 pg? Eh Rubio? Nah. Nash is too old now. Holiday? Eh. Lowry? Nah. You gotta remember the factors I said earlier - HC, poor combinations, still young. It's debatable.


Lillard and Holiday are nowhere near debateable unless you have a major bias.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#82 » by mlloyd10 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:41 am

I would put lillard in the Larry sanders status already
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#83 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:43 am

jennings for lowry?

better defense
better passing
more strength
elite efficiency(currently at a career high ts of 58%)
on a great contract

VS

more upside
better swagger

tough decision :roll:

the idea that the proposed deal includes gooden and amir switching sides and people are still balking is nuts. the ultimate jennings fanboyz club is alive and well on realgm tonight.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#84 » by 4xBuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:06 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:The only way you pay him is if you think he'll improve. I've seen 4 years of minimal improvement and no change in his style of play that convinces me that the Brandon we see now is any different from the one we would have next year, the year after that, the year after that etc. He's not a true point guard, his ability to create in the lane is laughable and his game lives and dies by his inconsistent jumper. I'm not taking a $40+ million risk on him.

Wow, that’s obscenely fatuous- awful… Early candidate for stupidest post of the year.

Jennings has actually improved quite a bit and projects to continue the trend. Lets compare him to Steve Nash... Ya, you don't improve after 4 years, especially players as young as Jennings; Nash certainly didn't- :roll:


http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ibr01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hst01.html

Looky, even though the great Nash was 3 ½ years older than Jennings, Jennings has been better the first four years in the NBA. This is just offense too, we won’t embarrass Nash & talk defense… That’s funny.

Nash continued to improve through his 10th season... Yeah, Jennings is doomed.

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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#85 » by JayMKE » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:08 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:jennings for lowry?

better defense
better passing
more strength
elite efficiency(currently at a career high ts of 58%)
on a great contract

VS

more upside
better swagger

tough decision :roll:

the idea that the proposed deal includes gooden and amir switching sides and people are still balking is nuts. the ultimate jennings fanboyz club is alive and well on realgm tonight.


we'd have the 8th seed locked up for YEARS!

also, isn't Lowry getting beat out for PT by Calderon?
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#86 » by 4xBuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:17 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:jennings for lowry?

better defense
better passing
more strength
elite efficiency(currently at a career high ts of 58%)
on a great contract

VS

more upside
better swagger

tough decision :roll:

the idea that the proposed deal includes gooden and amir switching sides and people are still balking is nuts. the ultimate jennings fanboyz club is alive and well on realgm tonight.


More strength- huh?

Better passing- huh?... Ya, those 4.9 assists per game will be nice.

Better deference- huh”… Less steals & a DRtg of 108.

Ah, never mind… Get yer hate on, bro… :noway:
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#87 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:18 am

Glad to see we're comparing Jennings to a 2 time MVP, excuse me well I go die of laughter.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#88 » by 4xBuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:22 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Glad to see we're comparing Jennings to a 2 time MVP, excuse me well I go die of laughter.

Nash won 2 MVPs his first 4 years- wow!
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#89 » by AussieBuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:24 am

Steve Nash could be used as an excuse for never giving up on any PG until they were nearly decomposing. Acie Law might still be a hall of famer!
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#90 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:25 am

4xBuck wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Glad to see we're comparing Jennings to a 2 time MVP, excuse me well I go die of laughter.

Nash won 2 MVPs his first 4 years- wow!

How many players, who got 30 minutes a game from day one, finally break out after 4+ seasons in the league? I'd be willing to bet the list is extremely small.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#91 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:26 am

And also, of course Jennings has made some minimal improvement in his time in the NBA, they went from atrocious to bad, maybe he'll be average in 4 more seasons.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#92 » by giraldo5 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:35 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:And also, of course Jennings has made some minimal improvement in his time in the NBA, they went from atrocious to bad, maybe he'll be average in 4 more seasons.


Nebula has been telling us for months he'd be great on that 3rd contract!
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#93 » by RickInCali » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:52 am

The Bucks are not going to keep Ellis. You cannot end up trading Bogut for Udoh and cap space. I don't see how they could be 100% sure that Ellis would opt-in even if they had that promise, and I don't see how they take the chance that he'd renege. Do you even want the guy at that opt-in price? I don't.

I don't know what to do, but I have an idea of what NOT to do. Do NOT pay Jennings until you see an offer sheet -- Do NOT bid against yourself! Do NOT let Ellis go without getting something in return. Do NOT keep the aging defensive liability that is Dunleavy when his value is high to a contender right now.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#94 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:11 am

Rank (worst to best) of players who scored over 15 points a game ranked on their TS%.
2009-10 Jennings #1 (71 possible)
2010-11 Jennings #2 (62 possible)
2011-12 Jennings #10 (55 possible)
2012-13 Jennings #11 (55 possible)

I guess you were right, the improvement is really visible.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#95 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:21 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Rank (worst to best) of players who scored over 15 points a game ranked on their TS%.
2009-10 Jennings #1 (71 possible)
2010-11 Jennings #2 (62 possible)
2011-12 Jennings #10 (55 possible)
2012-13 Jennings #11 (55 possible)

I guess you were right, the improvement is really visible.


The hard part with those numbers is that he's not getting major assists and the offense he's a part of is ranked in the bottom five.

If Jason Kidd ends up shooting 38% that's one thing. Or even Iverson, since in his prime he's getting to the foul line 10 times per game. Those guys could impact the game even when the shot wasn't falling.

I just want to see Jennings impact the game in some serious way, other than nights where due to his volume shooting or facing a crappy defense he puts up 25 points.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#96 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:29 am

Assists per game (ranked best to worst) of guards with over 25 minutes a game

2009-10 Jennings #16
2010-11 Jennings #31
2011-12 Jennings #21
2012-13 Jennings #22

Pretty evident he's not in the top half of players there either.
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#97 » by Nebula1 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:29 am

giraldo5 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:And also, of course Jennings has made some minimal improvement in his time in the NBA, they went from atrocious to bad, maybe he'll be average in 4 more seasons.


Nebula has been telling us for months he'd be great on that 3rd contract!


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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#98 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:33 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Pretty evident he's not in the top half of players there either.


Can you do these same stats for Lowry the past four years?
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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#99 » by bigkurty » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:37 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
Pretty evident he's not in the top half of players there either.


Can you do these same stats for Lowry the past four years?

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Re: Ford: Jennings #7 on players most likely to be traded 

Post#100 » by Max Green » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:43 am

Also note the fact that Lowry lost his starting job the last 2 seasons to "inferior" players.
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