Potential Jennings trade thread (POLL ADDED)

[LUKE23]

To me, the franchise is in a position where they will need to take some risks on the younger guys that appear to have more ceiling at some point. Ilyasova wasn't really a "ceiling" sign, I think Jennings would be. I realize many will disagree and that is fine and I understand the viewpoint. I really wish we could see how this team would operate with a true, 15-18 ppg high efficiency, non ball dominant SG AND Jennings before scrapping it though.

It just seems like we're only one solid SG piece away from pushing this thing up, and I feel like we could have the assets to get this done if we trade Monta, we'd be hopefully armed with two picks and mega cap space. The frontcourt to me is rock solid six deep. Guess we'll see what happens.

[ampd]

Kyle Lowry is not better than Jennings. That trade would be horrendous.

Perfect example of just looking at box scores and a couple random advanced stats on basketball reference not telling the whole story. The only thing Lowry does better than Jennings is have a higher career TS%.

He can dribble with both hands too.

He averages more assists with a lower usage rate as well.

His career AST% is 0.7% higher than Jennings.

His drtg and PER against are both actually worse (in the case of PER, a lot worse) and their synergy defensive stats are almost identical. And those games that Jennings single handedly makes our horrible offense much better and wins for us? Lowry won't do that. We would lose 5-10 more games this season if we just replaced Jennings with Lowry on our roster.

This myth that Lowry is a cheaper and better upgrade is exactly that. A myth. Lowry would be a great 5th best player on a team like the heat where he can shoot spot up 3s and swing the ball around the perimeter. Thats not what we need at all.

[ampd]

I would rather trade Jennings straight up for the 25th pick or something (which would also be stupid but..) than take Lowry back for him or use him to take out a contract that we can just decide to negate without losing any assets in the process.

[Baddy Chuck]

To me, the franchise is in a position where they will need to take some risks on the younger guys that appear to have more ceiling at some point. Ilyasova wasn't really a "ceiling" sign, I think Jennings would be. I realize many will disagree and that is fine and I understand the viewpoint. I really wish we could see how this team would operate with a true, 15-18 ppg high efficiency, non ball dominant SG AND Jennings before scrapping it though.

It just seems like we're only one solid SG piece away from pushing this thing up, and I feel like we could have the assets to get this done if we trade Monta, we'd be hopefully armed with two picks and mega cap space. The frontcourt to me is rock solid six deep. Guess we'll see what happens.

I would love to see Jennings with a good "true" shooting guard, but honestly I don't feel that helps his game. I'd say Jennings biggest problems are dribble penetration (and either scoring or passing out of it) and shot selection. Those are on Jennings and not any other player really.

[Bfinkish]

To me, the franchise is in a position where they will need to take some risks on the younger guys that appear to have more ceiling at some point. Ilyasova wasn't really a "ceiling" sign, I think Jennings would be. I realize many will disagree and that is fine and I understand the viewpoint. I really wish we could see how this team would operate with a true, 15-18 ppg high efficiency, non ball dominant SG AND Jennings before scrapping it though.

It just seems like we're only one solid SG piece away from pushing this thing up, and I feel like we could have the assets to get this done if we trade Monta, we'd be hopefully armed with two picks and mega cap space. The frontcourt to me is rock solid six deep. Guess we'll see what happens.

my point exactly. completely agree.

[Baddy Chuck]

Lowry would be a great 5th best player on a team like the heat where he can shoot spot up 3s and swing the ball around the perimeter. Thats not what we need at all.

Have you ever watched him play? That is not his game at all. He is ELITE at driving to the lane and drawing contact.

[Bfinkish]

I would rather trade Jennings straight up for the 25th pick or something (which would also be stupid but..) than take Lowry back for him or use him to take out a contract that we can just decide to negate without losing any assets in the process.

larry harris? are you there?

[Baddy Chuck]

I would rather trade Jennings straight up for the 25th pick or something (which would also be stupid but..) than take Lowry back for him or use him to take out a contract that we can just decide to negate without losing any assets in the process.

Lowry was just traded for a top 10 pick, do you seriously think he's not worth more then a late first?

[ampd]

Lowry would be a great 5th best player on a team like the heat where he can shoot spot up 3s and swing the ball around the perimeter. Thats not what we need at all.

Have you ever watched him play? That is not his game at all. He is ELITE at driving to the lane and drawing contact.

Meh. He is having a career year doing it and is still a total non factor in terms of on court impact.

[Baddy Chuck]

Meh. He is having a career year doing it and is still a total non factor in terms of on court impact. Yeah he has an awesome TS%. There is more to basketball than TS%

And Lowry has an advantage on just about every category besides pure PPG.

[ampd]

I would rather trade Jennings straight up for the 25th pick or something (which would also be stupid but..) than take Lowry back for him or use him to take out a contract that we can just decide to negate without losing any assets in the process.

Lowry was just traded for a top 10 pick, do you seriously think he's not worth more then a late first?

I think Toronto massively overpaid for him.

Yes I think he is worth more than the 25th pick. But not to us.

I am with Luke in the sense that I think this may be a situation where if Jennings is more valuable to us than he is to other teams, we may just have to bite the bullet and keep him even though he is currently an inconsistent and flawed player.

I realize we just value Lowry / Dragic a lot differently and probably can't agree on this.

[Baddy Chuck]

I don't think it's Lowry we don't agree on, I don't want him as our point guard of the future or anything, I just think he's an asset.

What we disagree on is Jennings. I just don't feel he's worth the risk as a player or asset on his new deal.

[Bfinkish]

I would rather trade Jennings straight up for the 25th pick or something (which would also be stupid but..) than take Lowry back for him or use him to take out a contract that we can just decide to negate without losing any assets in the process.

Lowry was just traded for a top 10 pick, do you seriously think he's not worth more then a late first?

I think Toronto massively overpaid for him.

Yes I think he is worth more than the 25th pick. But not to us.

I am with Luke in the sense that I think this may be a situation where if Jennings is more valuable to us than he is to other teams, we may just have to bite the bullet and keep him even though he is currently an inconsistent and flawed player.

I realize we just value Lowry / Dragic a lot differently and probably can't agree on this.

agreed. the lowry love is too much. jennings is 23, never played with a good sg (salmons, maggette, jackson, monta) and had the great skiles coach him. the hate has gone too far with jennings, just relax. dude will be great.

[Baddy Chuck]

agreed. the lowry love is too much. jennings is 23, never played with a good sg (salmons, maggette, jackson, monta) and had the great skiles coach him. the hate has gone too far with jennings, just relax. dude will be great.

And if we keep him I hope that is true. He was only a rookie, but his stats didn't change a single bit when he had Salmons playing like an all star next to him and personally I think blaming Skiles is the farthest thing from his problem. Maybe we'll see with a better offensive coach if Brandon is better, but Skiles gave him the green light from day one until the time he left and Brandon only slightly improved. We can really only look at his other stops but Kirk Hinrich was a young point guard who got better offensively overtime significantly with Skiles (and then completely tanked when he left) so I have a hard time believing Skiles was just a complete idiot misusing Jennings or something.

[ampd]

I don't think it's Lowry we don't agree on, I don't want him as our point guard of the future or anything, I just think he's an asset.

What we disagree on is Jennings. I just don't feel he's worth the risk as a player or asset on his new deal.

I agree that he'd be an asset in that he's almost guaranteed not to perform below that contract.