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blazza18 wrote:What is Lowry's contract like ?

5,750,000 this season and a partially guaranteed 6,210,000 next season. He is on a ridiculously good deal that would be easily moveable.

Well at that price I'm sold. Time to move on. Jennings will want double that.

Baddy Chuck wrote:

blazza18 wrote:What is Lowry's contract like ?

5,750,000 this season and a partially guaranteed 6,210,000 next season. He is on a ridiculously good deal that would be easily moveable.

Yes, I'd rather tank and get a nicer pick than 1 year of Kyle Lowry. Trading for a guy you want to trade right away is just dumb as we've all seen with Monta Ellis. If we're desperate to get an "asset" for Jennings then cash out for the best draft pick or prospect you can get. I am in no way interested in perpetuating mediocrity.

That's the thing though, I would absolutely love to trade Jennings for a rebuilding package but Kohl and co. aren't giving up the playoffs. With Lowry we would still be in the playoff picture and we could then have an asset after the season if they finally give up the 8th seed chase rather then nothing or an overpaid Jennings (who himself would be spinning the wheels on mediocrity more then Lowry).

I can't see Kohl looking at Kyle Lowry and thinking that's an upgrade from Brandon. Less PPG, similar FG %, similar APG. Isn't a full time starter. Is he even going to glance at anything else?

Baddy Chuck wrote:That's the thing though, I would absolutely love to trade Jennings for a rebuilding package but Kohl and co. aren't giving up the playoffs. With Lowry we would still be in the playoff picture and we could then have an asset after the season if they finally give up the 8th seed chase rather then nothing or an overpaid Jennings (who himself would be spinning the wheels on mediocrity more then Lowry).

And why would they give up on the playoffs next season? The cycle needs to end somewhere. Jennings is a better asset right now due to age and contract. If we trade Jennings, it needs to be for something that helps this team going forward. Either we cash out with Jennings or tank hard next year. The top of next years draft is suppose to be strong or so I hear.

jr lucosa wrote:I can't see Kohl looking at Kyle Lowry and thinking that's an upgrade from Brandon. Less PPG, similar FG %, similar APG. Is he even going to glance at anything else?

It's not looking at it as an upgrade, it's looking at it as a holdover move to make the playoffs and not have to pay someone 40+ million in the offseason.

Baddy Chuck wrote:

jr lucosa wrote:I can't see Kohl looking at Kyle Lowry and thinking that's an upgrade from Brandon. Less PPG, similar FG %, similar APG. Is he even going to glance at anything else?

It's not looking at it as an upgrade, it's looking at it as a holdover move to make the playoffs and not have to pay someone 40+ million in the offseason.

What I meant was, Herb Kohl looks at that as a clear downgrade and most likely won't do it with Lowry not locked into anything very long term either.

This would be similar to thinking that he might sign off on Brandon Jennings for Beno Udrih straight up, who put up Lowry like numbers his last year in Sacramento and was on a similar contract. I don't see it as realistic.

JayMKE wrote:And why would they give up on the playoffs next season? The cycle needs to end somewhere. Jennings is a better asset right now due to age and contract. If we trade Jennings, it needs to be for something that helps this team going forward. Either we cash out with Jennings or tank hard next year. The top of next years draft is suppose to be strong or so I hear.

Well for one Monta Ellis would likely be gone next season. It could be the year where Kohl finally stops paying big money to chase the 8th seed. It would be then he decides that he would move Lowry and "tank". They are going one of two ways, for the playoffs or not caring. This season there is no chance we don't go for the playoffs. Absolutely none. If you're fighting for mediocrity, you resign Jennings or keep Lowry and fight for that 8th seed again, if you finally throw in that 8th seed towel you don't resign Jennings or you trade Lowry. Give me the potential scenario where you get something out of it.

I'm no Kyle Lowry fan, in fact I don't like him at all, but I can honestly say the thought of watching Jennings chuck away as many games as he wins us while strutting like a peacock for the next 4 years is about as off-putting as anything Bucks related could be.

Baddy Chuck wrote:I'd say the list of young guys who took a step in their games after 4 years in the league in pretty small.

Kyle Lowry.

jr lucosa wrote:I can't see Kohl looking at Kyle Lowry and thinking that's an upgrade from Brandon. Less PPG, similar FG %, similar APG. Isn't a full time starter. Is he even going to glance at anything else?

I can't see a scenario where they trade Terrance Ross, but if he is coming back this way also it could be a compelling trade for Kohl. I would add Tobias to that trade to make it happen or consider something else Toronto would want.

Should have already extended Jennings

I will stick with Jennings over these trade offers mentioned. Jennings still is 23 years old, under restricted control, plays every night and has the ability to take over games against high level competition. He is the key to whether we win games night in and night out. The 2 EC POW awards this year help tell that story.

I could get swayed with a Gortat/Dragic offer that was discussed earlier, but in reality it probably doesn't move the needle much. For me, Jennings is the type of guy I want to hang onto through his 23-27 years and see if he takes a leap. Hard for me to justify rebuilding a team if we don't give players the proper time to develop. At the very least I don't see him becoming a toxic asset anytime during those years and will always maintain trade value to other teams.

Nebula1 wrote:Should have already extended Jennings

Too bad Morey is too smart to trade for him. Could kill two birds with one stone in that scenerio.

No way should we trade Jennings just to trade Jennings. The kid is 23, a year younger than Larry Sanders. We thought Larry was a bust and look at him now. There is still room for growth and it's not like BJ is a bad basketball player. He needs to improve his FG, finish near the basket, and be paired with a non-twin.

giraldo5 wrote:

Nebula1 wrote:Should have already extended Jennings

Too bad Morey is too smart to trade for him. Could kill two birds with one stone in that scenerio.

Well-played.

giraldo5 wrote:

Nebula1 wrote:Should have already extended Jennings

Too bad Morey is too smart to trade for him. Could kill two birds with one stone in that scenerio.

Would you trade Jennings/Ilyasova for Lin/Patterson?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6208390

I'm a Raptor fan and theres no way we do this deal. Calderon and Amir MAYBE, but were back to square 1 with 2 pg's so I don't see this happeneing.

Swap Terrence Jones for Patterson and I'm in.