GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:mattg wrote:The question becomes, what happens with Jennings when you put him alongside a good offensive player who can take pressure off of him so he doesn't have to use so many offensive possessions because we have no chance to win if Jennings doesn't shoot a lot and shoot well. I'm talking about an efficient secondary(or even primary creator), not just an efficient catch and shoot player or something. Think about how good we look offensively at times playing Beno and Jennings together when beno is playing well, and now imagine that skillset in a SG or SF who could do it consistently.
how is this guy you describe to take the "load off jennings".... not monta ellis?
ellis big issue is his efficiency but that has nothing to do with what you just described as jennings "ideal" running mate. surely youre not suggesting that if ellis shot better that this would improve how jennings looks are you?
i hate the argument about how brandon would look if we paired him with a decent sg. wtf does that have to do with anything. how in the hell is another sg gonna help brandon unless he does all the things a damn pg is supposed to do for him. brandon is the pg... he doesnt play like one. he plays like a sg. the discussion should be how the rest of the team would look with a decent pg.
Watching Monta use possessions to chuck up shots that he misses doesn't take pressure off of Jennings. It adds pressure.
El Duderino wrote:Baddy Chuck wrote:I would love to see Monta gone because I think it helps the team overall (and he's an asset you need to cash in on) but I'd be lying if I said it helped Brandon that much. His problems aren't tied into Monta. Not being able to dribble right, inconsistent jump shot and his problems converting or passing once he gets into the lane aren't a problem that Monta is throwing on Brandon's shoulders. One thing that could help him with a more consistent guy is the nights where Brandon feels like he has to chuck up shots to pick up the slack, but honestly, for every one of those nights there's a night where Brandon chucks up those shots anyways. It'll be interesting to see how long the excuses for being inconsistent run with Brandon.
I agree. Brandon thinks shoot first and second because that's just who he is as a player. It's in his basketball DNA. He's been a scorer first before coming to the NBA.
Unlike some people, i don't mind point guards who shoot quite a bit and aren't say 8-9-10 assists per game guys. Generally point guards who are great passers and who have great court vision, that's something which mostly came natural to them. It isn't taught or learned as much a gift they possess. Brandon wasn't blessed with that gift.
He can pass decently enough though to be a quality PG if he simply wasn't such a bricklayer. If he could finish better in the paint and get to the line. Basically, if he could score more efficiently to justify his natural inclination to shoot so often. After nearly four seasons done though, i've seen very little from Jennings to hold out serious hope that he'll ever be noticeably better than he currently is.
I'm not necessarily calling you out specifically, but it seems like a lot of people are hopeful that Baddy can become like Mo circa 2007-08 offensively. Can you even imagine Baddy having a TS% of .566? Can you imagine him with Mo's quick layup move, floater, and mid-range pull up to go along with Mo's three point shot? Young Mo crushes Baddy as a scorer.
If you put Mo's skillset in a much quicker and more athletic body like Baddy's, you have yourself a guy who can score 25+ with solid efficiency. Sadly, Baddy doesn't have anywhere close to the arsenal that Mo had.
I certainly also wouldn't argue that Baddy is a huge amount better as a creator for others. Frankly, we'd be much better off with 2007-08 Mo this season compared to Jennings.
whatthe_buck!? wrote:giraldo5 wrote:LUKE23 wrote:People defending Jennings makes it a "love fest". Oh my Jesus.
People arguing that he's in the same tier as Jrue Holiday specifically.
Im no Jennings lover, but is it even a question that he's on the same tier as Jrue Holiday? Holiday has had a better season this year yes, almost identical ppg with significantly better apg and slightly better rpg, but Jennings also gets more steals and turns the ball over less. As for their careers thus far id say jennings stas are slightly more impressive but i admit its very debatable based on their respective shooting percentages. At the same time, do u understand what it means for players to "be in the same tier"? U understand that two players can be in the same tier without them being equally good right? If two players are in the same tier they should be similar caliber players with similar impacts on their teams level of play, not equally good.
If u believe that Holiday is better than Jennings that's fine, I would definitely agree with u on that if that's what you're trying to say, but both players are as locked into the same tier as point guards at the moment as two players can be. It's not even debatable, that is unless you're allowing for there to exist close to a unique tier for each and every individual NBA player. If I was asked to pick players that are closet to Holiday in terms of not only trade value but also statistics and impact on his team Jennings would be like one of my top 3 choices. How is he in a lower tier?
If I have the choice of Jrue with his extension or Baddy with the exact same extension, I'm taking Jrue 100 times out of 100. The sad thing is, Baddy is likely going to get more.
I think Jrue is clearly the superior player right now. He's also on a much higher career trajectory given the huge step forward he's taken this year.
Baddy Chuck wrote:ackypoo wrote:take a minute and look at chauncey billups career.
Take a look at the other 99% of all stars the past 20 years. There's always an exception or two to the rule because I'd have to think you are pointing out Steve Nash next.
I certainly am not worried about Baddy getting away and becoming a perennial All-Star type player. Do other people see that as a realistic scenario?
I think that really puts things in perspective for me. I see almost no chance that Baddy will become "the one that got away." Instead, I think I would see him as a player another team paid 10-12M for who was the exact same player we all knew he was while he was here.