PG: Bucks beat Portland

[LUKE23]

I agree recently play matters, but I'm taking the entire career sample over half a season. These guys aren't different tiers based on that half season is all I'm saying. If Jrue was that much better than Brandon in terms of win impact though, no chance in living hell Philly is six games under with a terrible PPG differential right now, regardless of their supporting cast. None.

[paulpressey25]

Except for Jennings is looking like a future Jamal Crawford and Holiday looking like a top 10 PG which Jennings has never shown

Holiday's numbers his last ten games are excellent.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday

Agree with those saying he continues to improve week by week. He's breaking out into a 20/10 player on efficient shooting. He's 6-4" and stronger than Jennings.

We are all jumping up and down about Brandon's recent hot streak with his 3-pt shooting skilz.....Jrue is taking almost 4 per game in January and hitting 41% of them. Holiday is essentially matching one of Brandon's considered strengths.

[Baddy Chuck]

I agree recently play matters, but I'm taking the entire career sample over half a season. These guys aren't different tiers based on that half season is all I'm saying. If Jrue was that much better than Brandon in terms of win impact though, no chance in living hell Philly is six games under with a terrible PPG differential right now, regardless of their supporting cast. None.

Maybe I'm wrong. I see Jrue having an exceptional year. I see Brandon having his normal year. This year when Brandon plays well we do very well. When he plays bad, we usually lose. Considering how much more consistent Jrue is then Brandon, and that his good is just as good as Brandon, I don't think it's to far out there to say maybe Brandon has 16 bad games this year and that we could easily win half of those with a guy like Jrue instead.

[giraldo5]

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1227480

Just to see what unbiased opinions think on the matter.

[ampd]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1227480

Just to see what unbiased opinions think on the matter.

You should have asked if the Bucks would be 8 games better with Holday, since I am guessing that almost nobody here is arguing that Brandon has had the better season so far.

[trwi7]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1227480

Just to see what unbiased opinions think on the matter.

You should have asked if the Bucks would be 8 games better with Holday, since I am guessing that almost nobody here is arguing that Brandon has had the better season so far.

I think it's fine the way he has it. If they think Holiday is much better (maybe not 8 games or whatever) they'll just vote for Holiday by a lot.

[giraldo5]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1227480

Just to see what unbiased opinions think on the matter.

You should have asked if the Bucks would be 8 games better with Holday, since I am guessing that almost nobody here is arguing that Brandon has had the better season so far.

I think it's fine the way he has it. If they think Holiday is much better (maybe not 8 games or whatever) they'll just vote for Holiday by a lot.

Yeah tried wording it the best I could and without showing any bias.

[ampd]

If you want to know people's opinion on how many more games the bucks would win with Holiday instead of Jennings you should probably ask that question.

[Baddy Chuck]

I agree recently play matters, but I'm taking the entire career sample over half a season. These guys aren't different tiers based on that half season is all I'm saying. If Jrue was that much better than Brandon in terms of win impact though, no chance in living hell Philly is six games under with a terrible PPG differential right now, regardless of their supporting cast. None.

Maybe I'm wrong. I see Jrue having an exceptional year. I see Brandon having his normal year. This year when Brandon plays well we do very well. When he plays bad, we usually lose. Considering how much more consistent Jrue is then Brandon, and that his good is just as good as Brandon, I don't think it's to far out there to say maybe Brandon has 16 bad games this year and that we could easily win half of those with a guy like Jrue instead.

To kind of further my point and obviously it's not a forgone conclusion but don't you think we could pretty easily win these games if Jennings played more consistent like Holiday?

11/10 4 point loss to Boston - 1-11, 4 points, 5 assists
11/19 4 point loss to Charlotte - 5-18, 10 points, 5 assists
12/22 12 point loss to Cleveland - 3-13, 7 points, 3 assists
12/30 2 point loss to Detroit - 3-12, 9 points, 4 assists

I'd say their games where they really blow up for like 25+ are pretty even (might even favor Holiday) and his passing is much better so I'd think the games where Jennings wills your team to victory could be pretty much replaced by Holiday but the games where Jennings is pretty much trash would be a lot less often with Holiday. Over the course of the year I could see it being 8 or so games.

[AussieBuck]

It was fun watching Terry Stotts' offense make no effort to get Aldridge the ball in positions to score. Aldridge easily would have put up 30 plus points last night with Sanders missing so much time if they posted him up.

The Blazers might as well deal him if they are going to hold onto good ol Terry as coach.

Aldridge is a vag.

[Max Green]

I wonder if Portland will make a move for some depth and a legit starting Center. They are destined to be a late lottery team starting Hickson at Center.

[Baddy Chuck]

I wonder if Portland will make a move for some depth and a legit starting Center. They are destined to be a late lottery team starting Hickson at Center.

I think Matthews for Gortat benefits both teams.

[blazza18]

I wonder if Portland will make a move for some depth and a legit starting Center. They are destined to be a late lottery team starting Hickson at Center.

I think Matthews for Gortat benefits both teams.

Matthews for Dalembert/Daniels works for us

[coolhandluke121]

I agree recently play matters, but I'm taking the entire career sample over half a season. These guys aren't different tiers based on that half season is all I'm saying. If Jrue was that much better than Brandon in terms of win impact though, no chance in living hell Philly is six games under with a terrible PPG differential right now, regardless of their supporting cast. None.

Philly would be more than 6 games under .500 with Jennings. That's all that matters. Raw record doesn't matter. Holiday does everything better than Jennings, and does most things MUCH better. He has this year anyway. This whole argument is about why Jennings doesn't have a case for the all-star game over Holiday or Irving. No case whatsoever. Those two have been the far superior players this season.

And it's not "8 games better" or "10 games better" like you keep saying. It's just 3 or 4 stinking games. Holiday is playing like prime Billups right now. He is easily that much better than Brandon. Jennings mails it in on a regular basis, so just get an equally talented player who actually comes to play every night and you'd easily see a 3-win improvement.

[giraldo5]

If you want to know people's opinion on how many more games the bucks would win with Holiday instead of Jennings you should probably ask that question.

Well actually I wanted to know if they were in the same tier. If you want to know your question then feel free to ask that. Based upon the results I think the verdict is rather clear for people saying there is no real difference going forward.

They are either in the same tier barely with Holiday at the top of the tier and Jennings at the bottom or holiday is a clear tier ahead of him.