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Badgerlander · Post #241 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:53 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
emunney wrote:Henson/anybody

I hope Henson makes the rookie-soph rising stars game this year

Badgerlander · Post #242 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:55 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:I wasn't shocked to see Udoh shooting 40% on the season.

Putrid....putrid....

Trade Udoh for Gerald Henderson....

I approve

meh, I'd rather just sign a guy like a Corey Brewer this offseason for cheaper

gbmb34 · Post #243 » by **gbmb34** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:59 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:He'll be guarded by the opposing 5. he'll be given the 20 footer like he generally is now. If he tries to go off the dribble he'll have to get past his guy then the other big. If he was Blake Griffin and we had Chris Paul maybe it would work. Post bigs just don't work in the modern NBA with lane clogging teammates.

And the point is you don't have him 20 feet out. He's your main option on offense, his post play in the best offensive option this team would have. He would be the only guy on our team who could consistently create his own offense. You act like Larry's man will be in the paint entire time and if the double came that Gasol wouldn't be able to pass the ball. Set Larry up on one side and Gasol on the other, let Gasol work and he is a very capable player to make a two foot hook shot before the second guy comes or passing off. He's not a turnover machine who unconscionably shoots long twos because he's an idiot like you make him out to be.

I'm more with Baddy on this one. The offense is 27th in the NBA right now. Do we really think its going to get worse with Gasol? How often does Larry get the ball on offense aside from offensive rebounds and at the 3 pt line at the top of the key? He's hardly involved in the Bucks offense at all at this point, whether Ersan is on the floor or not.

The Bucks are finally in position to get a legit potential top 25 player for what amounts to spare parts. How often does that chance come along for Milwaukee?

Blind resume:

Player 1:
USG 19.25
TS% 51.4
AST% 79.6
TRR 14.1
WS 6.09
PER 16.52

Player 2:
USG 19.36
TS% 49.4
AST% 73.7
TRR 13.5
WS 7.89
PER 15.57

Ayt · Post #244 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:01 pm

JayMKE wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:I think you trade for Gasol and put him where he belongs he's a 15 and 10 player on at least average efficiency. I think if everything works out for him and the stars align Ersan is that. Gasol gives you a better shot in the playoffs the next two years and when he's gone you roll Henson as your starter. You aren't giving up any good piece for winning now or a future piece and you clear a little cap in the future. I'd do the deal 10/10 times right now and unless Ersan looks like a 15/10 every night guy until the deadline, I do it then as well.

Ersan has way more of a chance of being a 15/10 player at this point than Pau Gasol.

He averaged 17-10-4 just last season splitting post time with Bynum. Now he is being used like he's a spot up shooter.

It is not like he's years removed from being a very effective big man, and the change in his role has quite obviously made a dramatic difference in his play.

Ayt · Post #245 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:08 pm

JayMKE wrote:
randy84 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
ya if Gasol was the player he use to be we'd have to give up the equivalent of Kwame Brown, Javaris Critterton, Aaron McKie, two late 1st round picks, and a throwaway 2nd rounder.

Not to mention Marc Gasol.

who was a fat throwaway 2nd round pick stashed over in Europe at the time

LOL.

Marc was one of the best players in Europe, and he was only 23. He won the MVP of the Spanish League during the the season in which he was traded.

Steve210 · Post #246 » by **Steve210** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:11 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:
emunney wrote:Henson/anybody

I hope Henson makes the rookie-soph rising stars game this year

I think he has a pretty good shot, it would be nice to see the Bucks have someone representing the team during All-Star weekend.

JimmyTheKid · Post #247 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:13 pm

gbmb34 wrote:The offense is 27th in the NBA right now. Do we really think its going to get worse with Gasol?

Whats the offense ranked in 8 games under Boylan? I'm looking at this like two separate seasons. With Skiles. After Skiles. There was no effing way a starting lineup of Jennings, Ellis, Daniels, Mbah a Moute, and Sanders would excel offensively. Just no way. Not to mention 12-man rotations forcing inconsistent play. And, for the record, a definitive NO to Pau Gasol. Yuck.

Post #248 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:13 pm

GBMB...Who are the two players?

emunney · Post #249 » by **emunney** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:17 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:GBMB...Who are the two players?

1 is Ersan, 2 is Pau.

LUKE23 · Post #250 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:17 pm

I think Ilyasova and Gasol.

Ayt · Post #251 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:18 pm

ampd wrote:For the most part the changes Boylan has made (starting Ersan, more consistent lineups, running a few more plays, a little more emphasis on playmaking from the guards, Jennings as the #1 instead of Monta, playing Henson with the 2nd unit, less Marquis Daniels) have been the completely obvious choices that pretty much any coach other than Skiles would have done from day 1.

Aside from the rotations in the Detroit game which were baffling and inexplicable, I like what Boylan has done so far, which is pretty much be Skiles without all the BS, and a little attention paid to the offensive end of the floor.

I really don't agree. NBA coaches are pretty stupid. Look at the idiot in LA or the horrific job Avery Johnson was doing with Brooklyn.

Badgerlander · Post #252 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:19 pm

Steve210 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
I hope Henson makes the rookie-soph rising stars game this year

I think he has a pretty good shot, it would be nice to see the Bucks have someone representing the team during All-Star weekend.

I don't know, have to assume Davis+Drummond are locks, and then probably Sullinger and maybe Zeller ahead of him since Zeller has been starting.

Ayt · Post #253 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:20 pm

AussieBuck wrote:He took a massive dive in performance one Odom was traded and he was forced to play much more PF. He's Al Jefferson at best if you put him next to a clogging C.

He put up 17-10-4 last year with no Odom while playing next to Bynum.

theFireBlanket · Post #254 » by **theFireBlanket** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:26 pm

Al Jefferson got 19-10-2 last season, so statistically that's an accurate comp. He did say next to a "clogging C"(Bynum). We don't have a paint clogging C and overplaying Dalembert is bad.

I'd rather have the younger player that just needs burn but doesn't require being the man on the team to step up his play. I also wouldn't want to potentially revitalize the LA by giving them Ersan. They reportedly don't want a long term deal, anyway. So would they take him with that in consideration?

emunney · Post #255 » by **emunney** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:30 pm

Sanders is a clogging C. He might not be down there, but his man certainly is. When he catches at 20 feet they give him a 15 foot cushion. "Please shoot it, Larry." Did you see him size up that 3 last night? Ridiculous.

Ayt · Post #256 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:32 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:Al Jefferson got 19-10-2 last season, so statistically that's an accurate comp. He did say next to a "clogging C"(Bynum). We don't have a paint clogging C and overplaying Dalembert is bad.

The difference in passing ability makes the comparison very suspect. Pau was also much more efficient as a scorer with a TS% of .547 compared to the poor TS% of .524 Jefferson had. That is a huge difference for a primary scoring option. Pau is also the better defender.

Ayt · Post #257 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:33 pm

DrugBust wrote:The players don't hate their coach. That alone is reason enough for me to be fine with the change. But I also like that we're seeing a tighter rotation and guys are allowed to play through rough stretches.

And he uses lineups that actually makes sense. That is one of the biggest ways a coach can influence a team, and Skiles was an embarrassment this season with his lineups.

CanadaBucks · Post #258 » by **CanadaBucks** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:37 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Through 40 (22-18):

O: 25th (102.5)
D: 6th (103.3)
Pace: 5th (94.1)
Expected W-L: T-16th (.470, 38.5 wins over full season)
Actual W-L: 13th (.550, 45.1 wins over full season)
RPI: 14th (.507)
SOS: 21st (.493)
SRS: 16th (-1.13)
PPG Differential: 16th (-.70)
Hollinger Power Rank: 20th (98.595)
Hollinger Playoff Odds: 6th seed in East, 42-40, 81.8% chance of playoffs

Jennings up to .515 TS, Ilyasova up to .514 TS.

Can you tell me where we are for SOS among Eastern teams? Reason I ask is that I saw a chart from a few weeks ago and 15 of the top 20 were from the West for obvious reasons.

LUKE23 · Post #259 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:39 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

We are at 7th toughest SOS for the East.

Nebula1 · Post #260 » by **Nebula1** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:40 pm

emunney wrote:Sanders is a clogging C. He might not be down there, but his man certainly is. When he catches at 20 feet they give him a 15 foot cushion. "Please shoot it, Larry." Did you see him size up that 3 last night? Ridiculous.

Man I was psyched to see Sanders looking for his offense again. Not that I want him pulling that 3, but I love seeing him attack. Skiles had beaten that out of him.