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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#76 » by eagle13 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:00 pm

We don't have what it takes to get blesoe imo - too bad b/c he's more than a 3 game wonder. He leads most categories for the year among all the guys we have duscussed - see OP. If they do trade bled they could use a SG & backup C Maybe a 3 way w/ us sending Jennings & filler or Ersan to Orlando for Affalo and add Udoh & our 1st for bled & Odom
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#77 » by Badgerlander » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:01 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Bledsoe put up 13 and 5 with 2.5 turnovers in 32 minutes a game as a starter on a sub .500 TS%. Take what you will from that, and I still like him, but with the price they're asking trading for Bledsoe is surely not a home run.


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per36 15.9pts 5.5ast 2.7stl 1.4blk 5.2reb .453%/.429%/.798% TS%-.523
9 game stretch as a starter 15pts 5.8ast 2.4stl 1.6blk 4.7reb .400%/.400%/.806%
I thought that it was pretty interesting how close his numbers as a starter were to his per36 numbers
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#78 » by M-C-G » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:01 pm

I think most here advocating for Bledsoe are thinking he is the closest thing to what Harden was about two (three ?) years ago.

And if Hammonds feels the same, then do you really let your back up SF or PF or 1st round pick from getting him?

I think those that have been wishing we would just gamble and win just once, this might be the best shot.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#79 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:04 pm

DocHoliday wrote:I thought that it was pretty interesting how close his numbers as a starter were to his per36 numbers

Except that as you pointed out, his percentages plummeted.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#80 » by superelkman » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:13 pm

M-C-G wrote:I think most here advocating for Bledsoe are thinking he is the closest thing to what Harden was about two (three ?) years ago.

And if Hammonds feels the same, then do you really let your back up SF or PF or 1st round pick from getting him?

I think those that have been wishing we would just gamble and win just once, this might be the best shot.


I'm not sure why anyone would think that though. Harden's efficiency statistics were far and away better than Bledsoes. Bledsoe prior to this year really hasn't shown anything so to compare Harden and Bledsoe is wishful thinking.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#81 » by Badgerlander » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:15 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:I thought that it was pretty interesting how close his numbers as a starter were to his per36 numbers

Except that as you pointed out, his percentages plummeted.


It was 12 games (not sure why I had 9 down earlier) but only 2 of those games were home games. Also two games were on the road against Minn where he went 1-7 and 3-14. I'd be willing to bet his shooting numbers would even out closer to his per36 with more games.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#82 » by DWagner85 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:54 pm

I want Jennings, a players peak/prime years are 22-28, I want to see what he has in him. The notion that he will get more then 4 yrs 40m is moronic, especially when you consider Rondo and Holiday make 11m per on their deals, and are both better players in the eye of almost everyone.

Maybe he does not get better, but at 9-10m per season, I know what the Bucks have in him, and 9-10m allows the Bucks to look for one or two players of equal or better talent then Brandon, and easily add them to the cap.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#83 » by HurricaneKid » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:08 pm

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HurricaneKid wrote:Maynor never came back from his nasty ACL. He will be a league min FA next year.

Bledsoe is a terribly undersized 2 guard that plays point due to his size. His athleticism is right there with Westbrook. I don't understand people that say they don't want him. Over his last 3 starts (before CP3 came back) he avg 22.3ppg on 50% FG, 57% from 3, with 7.3asst, 4.7reb 3.0stl, 2.0bl.

If you don't want that tell me what you DO want. Because he just turned 23 and there isn't another player in the league close to those #s. His upside is tremendous. And he is making 2.6MM next year.


Whoa! He put up those numbers over as large of a sample size as 3 starts?!?!? Trade for this guy right now and do whatever it takes!


Lets grab Kobe Bryant. He is an all-timer. How many games out of his 1435 career games (incl playoffs) do you think he his those #s? I'm not asking for a 3 game stretch. I am asking how many games he hit those specific thresholds in his 1435 games. I'll even rd down to 22/7/4/3/2 on 50/57/??

Take a guess.


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ZERO.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#84 » by M-C-G » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:16 pm

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M-C-G wrote:I think most here advocating for Bledsoe are thinking he is the closest thing to what Harden was about two (three ?) years ago.

And if Hammonds feels the same, then do you really let your back up SF or PF or 1st round pick from getting him?

I think those that have been wishing we would just gamble and win just once, this might be the best shot.


I'm not sure why anyone would think that though. Harden's efficiency statistics were far and away better than Bledsoes. Bledsoe prior to this year really hasn't shown anything so to compare Harden and Bledsoe is wishful thinking.


The point was that some people feel he is the most acquirable player capable of being truly special.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#85 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:17 pm

HurricaneKid wrote:The answer, by the way is

ZERO.

Which is also greatly skewed because Bledsoe shot 7 threes and made 4. Not a single player could shoot that regularly, Bledsoe is certainly not the exception.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#86 » by HurricaneKid » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:21 pm

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emunney wrote:How many games has Bledsoe hit those specific thresholds? I think you know the answer.


All that shows is that Bledsoe can play at a high level at times which I have never denied. But if you look at this overall body of work and don't just cherry pick his best 3 game stretch of the year you will see that he isn't nearly as good, right now, as you believe him to be. Consistency very important.


You misunderstand me. I don't think he is that great. He turns the ball over too much and is not comfortable running a team. But he is barely 23 and his athleticism is mindblowing; if he puts it together (no guarantee there) he could be an ELITE NBA player. And guys with that type of upside are rarely on the market. All the people around here want to blow the team up in the small hope of getting a guy that has a high ceiling like that.
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Post#87 » by superelkman » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:59 pm

I hear you. It is just that a lot of PGs have put on performances like this early in their careers(Aaron Brooks and Darren Collison a few years back come to mind) only to go back to being just good and not really great. With that in mind I certainly would not mind trading for Bledsoe but we need to be cautious about using all of our assets for someone who in all likelihood will be a pretty replaceable player.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#88 » by HurricaneKid » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:22 pm

Oof. Have you seen Bledsoe? I mean play a full game this year with CP3 out. There is no physical comparison to Brooks and Collison. He is EXPLOSIVE. HE is the guy your eye is drawn to. He is Westbrook without the brakes. Does that make him a sure thing? Of course not. But it makes him a better bet than anyone who doesn't have his athleticism, someone that hasn't made enormous leaps in play every year.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#89 » by superelkman » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:44 pm

Right. Bledsoe is definitely more athletic than those two. My point is that we have seen point guards somewhere in their 2nd-5th seasons in the league put up some pretty impressive flash in the pan performances.

I would not hate trading for Bledsoe as I do think he has upside but I am not as sold on him given his total body of work as some may be. This is especially true in a league with a ton of capable PGs.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#90 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:02 am

We have seen great statistical performances but we haven't seen the physical dominations that he has thrown out on occasion. There is a big difeerence between having a few hot games and being bigger, stronger, faster than the guys you are playing against. That makes it far more likely to continue production.

But yes, I get that there are a LOT of good PGs in the league and none of them have had tremendous postseason success.
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#91 » by eagle13 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:51 am

to get bledsoe

3 TEAM 6 PLAYER

MIL OUT- BJ Udoh 2nd
MIL IN- Bledsoe Quinn

ORL OUT- Affalo Quinn
ORL IN- BJ Odom

LAC OUT- Bledsoe Odom
LAC IN- Affalo Udoh 2nd
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#92 » by eagle13 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:54 am

we trade bj & sam for rondo for next season
swap dunleavy to DET for bynum(exp) for this year
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Re: who do you want as our PG? 

Post#93 » by blazza18 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:58 am

If only eagle..

I think we need to come to terms with the fact Jennings is going to be here beyond next year unfortunately.

Real nice trades though. Specially the one getting Bledsoe here.
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