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Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:18 pm
by JayMKE
Orlando fans are probably just as delusional JJ Redick btw, reading their trade speculation thread. They seriously think they get 1sts and young players for 3 months of Redick. I think I saw Evan Turner + a 1st. Most aren't even happy with Moute + a 1st. They are even worse than the Monta GSW fans.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:21 pm
by emunney
HurricaneKid wrote:This is why "expirings" are so overrated. You aren't JUST paying for a rental (with a solid draft pick), you are essentially committing to paying free agency money in the future. I would love to have Redick shooting corner 3s for the Bucks but not for 10 damn million dollars a year. ON TOP OF OUR FIRST.
Huh? Expiring contracts have value to teams who want to shed salary in the following year -- they have value expressly because the team that wants them will not be committed to paying them beyond that year. Since that's not why we'd be getting Redick, nobody is trumpeting his expiring contract as added value.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:53 pm
by Badgerlander
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... e/1932729/The Bucks are active. General manager John Hammond plays the laid-back, gee-shucks Midwesterner. But he likes the trade game. He has shown an interest in Orlando Magic shooting guard J.J. Redick, but the Magic are not enamored yet with anything the Bucks have offered.
Bucks forward Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is one option, but Orlando does not like his contract. But the Magic aren't interested in the remainder of Mbah a Moute's contract – two years, $8.97 million. There is also interest around the league in Bucks center Ekpe Udoh, who is still on his rookie deal.
The Magic have wanted to know Redick's future price. Hoping for a hometown discount, Orlando is not willing to pay much above what he makes now ($6.19 million this season), and Redick wants a significant raise – close to $10 million a season. Orlando continues to take calls on Redick's availability, and the Magic are looking for at least a first-round pick.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:54 pm
by JayMKE
They seriously want more than Moute and a 1st. Is there another player more overrated than JJ Redick? It's like he's at Duke all over again. I honestly cannot believe this is even being discussed, the guy is not a starter in this league and he's nearing 30 AND he's an UFA.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:05 pm
by HaroldinGMinor
I read that as they want a first round pick - not a player AND a first round pick.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:17 pm
by Badgerlander
HaroldinGMinor wrote:I read that as they want a first round pick - not a player AND a first round pick.
Redick makes 6+mil they have to take a player back, what they want is a pick and an expiring contract
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:24 pm
by JEIS
DocHoliday wrote:HaroldinGMinor wrote:I read that as they want a first round pick - not a player AND a first round pick.
Redick makes 6+mil they have to take a player back, what they want is a pick and an expiring contract
Fat Sam and a pick?
Beno and a Pick?
MJD and Przy and a pick?
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:25 pm
by paulpressey25
I don't understand why Afflalo's name doesn't come up unless the Magic consider it a non starter.
Would much rather overpay for him. Bigger, more athletic, under contract.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:28 pm
by WEFFPIM
JayMKE wrote:They seriously want more than Moute and a 1st. Is there another player more overrated than JJ Redick? It's like he's at Duke all over again. I honestly cannot believe this is even being discussed, the guy is not a starter in this league and he's nearing 30 AND he's an UFA.
I feel like you're underrating Redick a lot more than people are overrating him.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:34 pm
by RandyBreuer
paulpressey25 wrote:I don't understand why Afflalo's name doesn't come up unless the Magic consider it a non starter.
Would much rather overpay for him. Bigger, more athletic, under contract.
Agreed, I think the Magic should trade both as well as Nelson. Get the most ping pong balls and have the most cap room. Orlando can win in free agency where as we can't. Fresh from the Magic board...
VGOSWAMI wrote:
OT but cool. One of the very few times Afflalo tweets something that makes sense.
@arronafflalo
i have the best teammates ..... all 14 of em
I hope it was them all wishing him a farewell
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:40 pm
by mcfromage
Where is this Klay Thompson stuff coming from? Seems foolish of GSW to dangle him.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:43 pm
by step3profit
mcfromage wrote:Where is this Klay Thompson stuff coming from? Seems foolish of GSW to dangle him.
I'm not sure about Klay any more. I have watched him several times this season and he's not been impressing me. I don't like his D, he doesn't really seem to anticipate plays very well on offense or defense.. he does, of course, shoot the hell out of the ball, but it seems that is all he does, and even then, his percentage isn't great. I really get the 'sitting around waiting for my turn to shoot and be a star' vibe from him over the 10ish games I've watched.
I wouldn't give a ton for him.. a mid first, sure, or a guy like LRMAM.. but not both.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:45 pm
by M-C-G
paulpressey25 wrote:I don't understand why Afflalo's name doesn't come up unless the Magic consider it a non starter.
Would much rather overpay for him. Bigger, more athletic, under contract.
This is what I don't get. You have the Bucks looking at Reddick, and the fans want Affalo, or you can basically just get a slightly less equivalent for much cheaper, and younger in the offseason. Anthony Morrow is the guy we should be targeting. Him and Dunleavy give us a nice combo next year, and my guess is that both will outperform their contracts assuming Dun signs something similar to two years ago.
<EDIT> I give up trying to paste the tables in. Check this link
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y3=2013Affalo and Reddick are better playmakers, but I don't think we need Morrow to do that for us. And I can only assume Morrow is the least capable defensively of the group, but I think he would be a team upgrade over Ellis D.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:47 pm
by JHSFIVE
yeah i dont get that either
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:49 pm
by step3profit
Also not sure about the Morrow love we are seeing around here. He's never been more than a part time starter on a bad team, and even that role, he would lose out to other players who eventually start in front of him.
The grass is always greener, especially when your starting 2 shoots under 30% from 3, but let's not get too wacky here.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:01 pm
by M-C-G
The point with Morrow is he won't cost you a first round pick, he won't even cost you Moute and he has shown that he can be an efficient scorer when starting. You would be banking on his drop off coming from the system in NJ when they drafted Brooks and gave him 29 minutes a game. And then you have to bank on the drop off in Atlanta was being hurt.
If he returns to form, you have a Dunleavy esque shooter, that won't cost that much. I mean his TS% his first three years; 59%, 60% 57%....since 53%, 53% and his 3PT%, 47%, 46%, 42%, 37%, 40%
I'm just saying it is worth the risk over paying for Reddick at 10M or Ellis at 11M.
The real guy I want is Danny Green, if we are looking for a young SG that is efficient and could break out with a bigger role.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:15 pm
by ampd
step3profit wrote:Also not sure about the Morrow love we are seeing around here. He's never been more than a part time starter on a bad team, and even that role, he would lose out to other players who eventually start in front of him.
The grass is always greener, especially when your starting 2 shoots under 30% from 3, but let's not get too wacky here.
I don't want Morrow in order to start him. We lack guys than can shoot the 3 and he is a .425 career 3 point shooter. He is also decent off screens. We have exactly 1 guy who is any good at those things. Having 2 would allow us to play some more versatile lineups, and also provide a little insurance against injury/ineffectiveness.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:27 pm
by NerfBaller
I just posted this in the Smith thread:
Lance Allan @lanceallan
On @Bucks trade rumors front, hearing Josh Smith is long shot & J.J. Redick talks are over. #Bucks reluctant to trade 1st round pick #Bucks
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:31 pm
by JayMKE
How exactly is Redick SO much better than Morrow? Morrow isn't play much this year but he's every bit the spot up shooter Redick is and at the fraction of the price.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:41 pm
by Ayt
JayMKE wrote:How exactly is Redick SO much better than Morrow? Morrow isn't play much this year but he's every bit the spot up shooter Redick is and at the fraction of the price.
Redick is more than just a spot up shooter. It is like you've never seen him play.