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Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:46 pm
by JayMKE
a spot up shooter than can pass okay
Morrow is much bigger and longer tho, I'd much rather have him on the cheap than Redick at $10 mil
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:48 pm
by Wiscfan92
Redick is high as hell if he thinks he deserves $10m a year. That report made me laugh
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:49 pm
by James1980
I agree with PP, I'd trade Moute and a first for Afflalo, but not Redick.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:51 pm
by Godgers
I dont want to give up a 1st for Redick because its pointless since we have such a **** team and will get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs if we even make it as a 8th seed.
That being said its amazing how little some people know yet they post away crap on the forums. Why dont you take the time of 5 minutes and go watch some youtube video of Redick this season. Get a sense of his game. Than come back and post.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:55 pm
by Ayt
People. Redick isn't going to get paid 10M. He'll likely get around 7M. 3 years, 21M would be my guess.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:58 pm
by Badgerlander
Ayt wrote:People. Redick isn't going to get paid 10M. He'll likely get around 7M. 3 years, 21M would be my guess.
At worst I'd bet he gets the full MLE, but I'd bet he gets more from some team.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:58 pm
by JayMKE
Ayt wrote:People. Redick isn't going to get paid 10M. He'll likely get around 7M. 3 years, 21M would be my guess.
He's getting paid 6 mil right now, I can see how he thinks he'll get 10. 7 is on the low end and who does Milwaukee sign on the low end?
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:05 pm
by ReasonablySober
Ersan Ilyasova, Mike Dunleavy, LRMAM.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:14 pm
by EastSideBucksFan
You would think Moute & 1st would be interesting to the Clippers for Bledsoe.
That's a deal I'd have no problem giving up a 1st.
Moute would be a great asset for that team.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:30 pm
by Badgerlander
EastSideBucksFan wrote:You would think Moute & 1st would be interesting to the Clippers for Bledsoe.
That's a deal I'd have no problem giving up a 1st.
Moute would be a great asset for that team.
Moute, Dunleavy, Dalembert, Udrih, Udoh, 1st, they can have their pick of any of those player(s)+pick combo if we get Bledsoe+ back.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:51 pm
by Frank Nova
My question for Moute is why would u go under a double screen and leave the 3pt line deserted for Joe Johnson to catch the ball and get a wide open look to tie the game?
All he had to do was beat Joe Johnson to the top of the key and play the passing lane and not chase him around a double screen like a lost puppy. For an "elite" defender, he sure made a high school mistake that essentially cost us the game.
I seriously can't stomach Moute on this team at all. It's funny how he gets praised on this board so much but teams won't trade for him because he's owed a lousy 8mil over the next 2 seasons and it seems that the consensus around the league is that he's not even worth that.
He got praised 1 time over 2 years ago by Kevin Durant and it's like no one can except the fact he's horribly overrated as a defender and has less offensive skill than most bench warmers in the league.
Now don't get me wrong, he is a tenacious defender because he's strong and plays physical and makes people work for their offense but he still can't stop any elite offensive players from out scoring him by 20+ points and that's a huge net negative asset to any team.
How could he help the Clippers at all besides as a towel waiver on the bench? They already have someone twice as talented and just as good as a defender in Matt Barnes to play that role and the aging Caron Butler is still more of an asset to a winning team then Moute could ever be.
Moute is stuck here because we didn't let him walk like we should've and he, like Jennings, has made little to no progress throughout their careers since their rookie seasons. They are both just as good now as they were then.
The love for Moute seriously needs to be muffled something serious because its no coincedence that few ppl on this board are the ONLY ppl that see him as anything valuable.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:04 pm
by emunney
weezybaby856 wrote:Now don't get me wrong, he is a tenacious defender because he's strong and plays physical and makes people work for their offense but he still can't stop any elite offensive players from out scoring him by 20+ points and that's a huge net negative asset to any team.
You're thinking about this as if basketball is just 5 games of one on one added together. It's not.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:23 pm
by HurricaneKid
EastSideBucksFan wrote:You would think Moute & 1st would be interesting to the Clippers for Bledsoe.
That's a deal I'd have no problem giving up a 1st.
Moute would be a great asset for that team.
I truly don't think you could get Bledsoe's shoes for that package.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:00 am
by ReasonablySober
Grantland makes a case for Dudley and Redick, with Milwaukee in mind:
J.J. Redick
Contract status after 2013: free agent
Possible landing spots: Denver, Utah, Indiana, Chicago, Milwaukee
Describing Redick as “just” a shooter overlooks the fact that his game has expanded by leaps and bounds since entering the league in 2006. For a destitute Orlando team lacking much in the way of playmakers this year, the former Duke guard has averaged a career-high 4.4 assists.
His ability to hit the pocket pass curling off screens or find his teammates out of pick-and-rolls is just the newest evolution to Redick’s game. Already much improved as a defender, Redick can now shoot off screens or after spotting up, run pick-and-rolls, and even handle the point guard spot in a pinch. Redick has raised his game to a point where he could be a full-time starter for a contending team if he’s paired with a bigger point guard (like Chicago’s Derrick Rose) with whom he can cross-match defensively.
His skill set and production make him a natural fit for quite a few teams, the most interesting being Denver. The Nuggets could sorely use his outside shooting, and his acquisition would lock the team into a deep and versatile nine-man rotation. One sticking point is that Redick lacks the handle to thrive in the Nuggets' dribble-drive system, but George Karl could tweak his offense a bit (or even just include a new set play or two) to accommodate a player who would make his Denver team far more dangerous.
Jared Dudley
Contract status: three years, $16.75 million
Possible landing spots: San Antonio, Atlanta, Milwaukee
When it comes to the ratio of dollars to production, Dudley might be the best bargain in the league. The Phoenix wing has a career shooting percentage of 40.4 and is in the midst of a third straight campaign with a PER above league average (15.11). His greatest skill, however, might be in the shots Dudley doesn’t take. The versatile forward never plays outside his strengths, which is the primary reason he’s been incredibly efficient despite limited athleticism. Add in his energy and solid defensive chops, and Dudley could be a major acquisition for one of the league’s contenders.
Because he’s locked into such a great deal, Dudley might not come cheap for teams looking to bring him in before Thursday’s deadline. But for a team like Milwaukee, which has struggled all season to find a reliable combination of shooting and defense, Dudley would be a godsend. He could step into the starting lineup right away at the 3 and help unlock the floor for the Bucks' shot-happy backcourt of Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis. Dudley doesn’t exactly make the Bucks a title contender, but he’s an upgrade they could certainly use.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:08 am
by paul
HurricaneKid wrote:EastSideBucksFan wrote:You would think Moute & 1st would be interesting to the Clippers for Bledsoe.
That's a deal I'd have no problem giving up a 1st.
Moute would be a great asset for that team.
I truly don't think you could get Bledsoe's shoes for that package.
I think Bledsoe has gone from off the radar underrated to heavily overrated in the space of 6 months.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:11 am
by jakecronus8
paul wrote:HurricaneKid wrote:EastSideBucksFan wrote:You would think Moute & 1st would be interesting to the Clippers for Bledsoe.
That's a deal I'd have no problem giving up a 1st.
Moute would be a great asset for that team.
I truly don't think you could get Bledsoe's shoes for that package.
I think Bledsoe has gone from off the radar underrated to heavily overrated in the space of 6 months.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:13 am
by Frank Nova
emunney wrote:weezybaby856 wrote:Now don't get me wrong, he is a tenacious defender because he's strong and plays physical and makes people work for their offense but he still can't stop any elite offensive players from out scoring him by 20+ points and that's a huge net negative asset to any team.
You're thinking about this as if basketball is just 5 games of one on one added together. It's not.
No I'm not at all. Can u make a case that Moute is helpful in any 5 on 5 situation? Because I sure cant. Moutes only real value is his man to man defensive ability because he has the willingness to defend. That's it. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that consist as a 1 on 1 attribute?
And let's not get started on the offensive end because in terms of "team" 5 on 5 basketball we basically have to play every possession 4 on 5 because Moutes disgusting offensive game doesn't even need to be accounted for as his man leaves him open so they are able to stop penetration and clog the paint.
It's no wonder why Monta and Brandon are forced to settle for so many jumpshots because Ersan is the only 1 that spreads the floor to open up any space and that becomes null in void because Moutes man can just sag 5 feet off him and help guard the paint. Even Larry is smart enough to drift away from the hoop from time to time just to create space in the middle.
Moute is a negative asset while he's on the floor because his defense doesn't come close to making up for his offense or lack there of I should say. So if we can't talk about Moutes 1 on 1 skill then there really isn't anything to talk about with him.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:20 am
by CanadaBucks
paul wrote:
I think Bledsoe has gone from off the radar underrated to heavily overrated in the space of 6 months.
Agreed.....One of those "So underrated he's overrated' guys
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:49 am
by coolhandluke121
CanadaBucks wrote:paul wrote:
I think Bledsoe has gone from off the radar underrated to heavily overrated in the space of 6 months.
Agreed.....One of those "So underrated he's overrated' guys
Yeah, that happens to underrated guys all the time. The only truly underrated player in my lifetime who stayed underrated basically his whole career is probably Andre Miller. For some reason that guy never gets the credit he deserves.
Re: CBS: Deal on the table: LRMAM, 1st for Redick.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:03 am
by step3profit
coolhandluke121 wrote:CanadaBucks wrote:paul wrote:
I think Bledsoe has gone from off the radar underrated to heavily overrated in the space of 6 months.
Agreed.....One of those "So underrated he's overrated' guys
Yeah, that happens to underrated guys all the time. The only truly underrated player in my lifetime who stayed underrated basically his whole career is probably Andre Miller. For some reason that guy never gets the credit he deserves.
He is New Derek Harper.