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Post#31 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:59 pm by DocHoliday

Ayt wrote:I'm surprised by this thread. If OKC traded Perk, Lamb, and a future late 1st for Gortat I don't see how that is a bad deal at all. Gortat is a lot better than Dalembert and gives them a much better shot at a title. Plus, he has another year on his bargain deal.

If I'm OKC, I'd absolutely prefer to get Gortat for this package rather than trade for Dalembert and keep my future 1st rounder.


I'm assuming that the pick is the Raptors pick that OKC got from Houston which will probably be a lotto pick. With Gortat OKC would be at 64.43mil next season and looking to resign Kmartin. Dalembert would put them at 56.7mil and able to sign anyone. All depends on which they value more, the cap space or Gortat.
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Post#32 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:03 pm by HurricaneKid

Yeah, I'm flummoxed by the reaction. Outside of helping a team dump salary I don't think the acquisition of an expiring is worth all that much in the new CBA and Dally's existing deal is hardly a nice chip. Gortat, on the other hand, is making almost the same amount only he fits their tempo and is A LOT better. Well over a VERY late 1st better. Dumping Perk is going to save the small market Thunder A LOT of money too.

Can someone please let me know why they are so high on Lamb? He has spent the whole year in the NBDL and hasn't shown even a flash at the NBA level. And to get him you are essentially taking over a deal that most think would otherwise be used as an amnesty. I think the Gortat deal is a GREAT one for OKC and want no part of Hammond alone in a room with Presti.
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Post#33 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:09 pm by M-C-G

I think OKC has every intention of NOT resigning Kevin Martin, and see Lamb as the Sefo's understudy next year. Which is exactly why I don't want the bucks to trade for Reddick, should be able to pull Martin or Morrow in on a favorable deal (and Morrow, though he doesn't get the love, seems pretty similar to Affalo, who everyone loves).
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Post#34 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:19 pm by DocHoliday

The reason the rumor is out there is that one team isn't happy with the value of the trade and I'm guessing that it's the Suns that want more in return for Gortat, otherwise this is a done deal, not a rumor. Therefore I think we could step in and offer Dalembert and see what happens.
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Post#35 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:27 pm by DocHoliday

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... s-clippers
Because Bledsoe is averaging only 21.8 minutes per game, advanced statistics give a better indication of his play this season. He ranks eighth among point guards in PER and ninth in win percentage, the per-minute version of my WARP ratings. Half of the eight players ahead of him, including Paul, played in Sunday's All-Star Game.

Filling in for Paul

Cynics will point to the Clippers' 6-6 record when Bledsoe filled in for the injured Paul as an indication he's not yet ready for prime time. Besides the fact that there's no shame in being worse than the All-Star MVP, that record doesn't tell the entire story. The Clippers outscored their opponents by 23 points in those games, and did so against a tough schedule.

Blame LL Cool J: 10 of the 12 games Bledsoe started were played on the road, mostly during a grueling eight-game trip to accommodate the Grammys at the Staples Center.

Moreover, to the extent the Clippers struggled it was actually because of the domino effect of Bledsoe's promotion to the starting lineup. Jamal Crawford became the Clippers' backup point guard with Grant Hill joining the rotation. Over the course of the season, NBA.com/Stats shows Bledsoe playing just as well with the Clippers' starters as Paul. Both units are plus-6.5 points per 100 possessions. However, the standout bench lineup -- outscoring opponents by 11.3 points per 100 possessions with Bledsoe -- falls apart without him; the Crawford/Hill unit was actually outscored.

Individually, Bledsoe more than held his own despite a shooting slump. He averaged 14.2 points, 5.3 assists and 4.8 rebounds in his 12 starts. Bledsoe's average of 2.5 steals per game as a starter would rank second in the NBA this season behind Paul and only Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook grab more rebounds from the point. The combination speaks to Bledsoe's otherworldly athleticism.
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Post#36 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:41 pm by WallabyPie

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No truth to rumor of Gortat and Tucker to OKC for Perkins, Lamb and a first......not going to happen
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Post#37 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:50 pm by DocHoliday

http://hoopspeak.com/2012/11/eric-the-amazing/
As an athlete, Bledsoe’s combination of lateral quickness, power, speed and improvisational grace sets him well apart even in the NBA. But his body seems oddly misshapen. It’s his arms, mostly. They don’t belong; as though Bledsoe stole them from a much taller man, or some parts were mixed up in the factory.

In fact Bledsoe’s wingspan exceeds his height by more than seven inches. That’s the same discrepancy as ol’ cartoon arms himself, Kevin Durant … except Durant is almost a foot taller.

This is worth mentioning because we tend judge the skill of a basketball player by the things he does with his hands — the fine motor skills of the NBA are controlled dribbling, accurate shooting, the deft pass. That Bledsoe’s hands are affixed to arms that appear generally unwieldy gives even his most delicate moves a sense of awkwardness. They contribute to the unfairly enduring perception that Bledsoe is more track athlete than basketball player, that he can’t, say, run the pick-and-roll.

Of course Bledsoe is physically imposing, and at just 6-0, he somehow manages to be a defensive wunderkind. As a general rule, it’s more difficult for point guards to have as constant and profound an impact on a team’s defense than a power forward or center. More or less, that’s because point guards are constantly dealing with ball screens, which means they need lots of help, while big men have a singular ability to impact those valuable shots near the basket.

Well, Bledsoe is different. There is a real gulf between the defense he plays and the defense that pretty much every other guard in the NBA plays.

His new nickname might be Mini-LeBron, but Bledsoe is more comparable to Dwyane Wade, the NBA’s longtime “Best Shot-blocking Guard,” a title that now belongs to Bledsoe. Like a younger Wade, Bledsoe dramatically tilts the odds in his favor on any 50-50 ball, and he has a knack for anticipating passes and making defensive plays that the offense just never sees coming. 6-0 guards shouldn’t win tip-ins over Tim Duncan or stop 2-on-1 fast breaks with a block, but Bledsoe makes those kinds of plays several times every game.

Against Chicago on Saturday, to pick a ready example, he broke up three different handoff plays in the span of a few minutes. When Nate Robinson ran off the screen, Bledsoe would not only prevent him from receiving the ball, but twice just snatched the ball from the player making the handoff (the third time he deflected the ball out of bounds). On Monday against San Antonio, he somehow read and picked off a pass that Manu Ginobili had thrown between a defender’s legs.

These are the moments that separate Bledsoe from most NBA players, who wouldn’t even try to do what he seems to accomplish rather effortlessly. He’s just different.

Or, take his series-deciding performance against the Mike Conley and the Memphis Grizzlies in last year’s playoffs. Conley might not rank as an elite point guard, but he is crafty, lightning quick and often the engine of the Memphis offense. Bledsoe ate his lunch. It wasn’t that he slowed him down. Conley collapsed, and so did the Memphis offense, when Bledsoe came in the game.

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If point guard defense matters a bit less because it’s basically an impossible task, consider the value of Bledsoe, one of only a couple players who can be reliably deployed to accomplish that very task. No one else eats space quite like Bledsoe because no one else with his length has his quickness and strength, so unlike many tall, long players, Bledsoe doesn’t have to give much cushion.

That means he can just do stuff no other player can do. Are you picking up on the theme?
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Post#38 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:54 pm by DocHoliday

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No truth to rumor of Gortat and Tucker to OKC for Perkins, Lamb and a first......not going to happen

perfect, time for us to call up Presti
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Post#39 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:07 pm by DocHoliday

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Kendrick Perkins will not play tonight against the Houston Rockets. The team says he sprained his right knee in yesterday's practice.
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Post#40 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:23 pm by whatthe_buck!?

If we jump in and offer either Daly/2nd or Udoh/Dunleavy/2nd for Perk/Lamb/1st and get the thunder to agree I'm ecstatic no matter what else happens the rest of the deadline. I don't even care if we trade for Smith and Redick after, in fact if we did I'd be perfectly fine because we'd have a crappier first to send out for Redick and we could keep ours...
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Post#41 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:16 pm by Godgers

OKC will never win a championship. They blew a few titles when they traded Harden away.

I still want Lamb so bad. Still mad about the Bucks trading back and missing out on Lamb.
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Post#42 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:18 pm by HurricaneKid

I think its more likely Liggins or PJIII takes that role. Especially given the love Brooks has for Liggins. OKC is going to have a tough time replacing Thabo and Collison in a few years as they are making peanuts.
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Post#43 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:54 pm by Ayt

PJIII can't even dominate in college or the D-League. I don't see him having much of a future.
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Post#44 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:59 pm by HurricaneKid

Ayt wrote:PJIII can't even dominate in college or the D-League. I don't see him having much of a future.


And yet between he and Lamb, its PJIII that gets the garbage time and Lamb goes to play in the NBDL.
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Post#45 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:01 pm by HurricaneKid

whatthe_buck!? wrote:If we jump in and offer either Daly/2nd or Udoh/Dunleavy/2nd for Perk/Lamb/1st and get the thunder to agree I'm ecstatic no matter what else happens the rest of the deadline. I don't even care if we trade for Smith and Redick after, in fact if we did I'd be perfectly fine because we'd have a crappier first to send out for Redick and we could keep ours...


Do you think either of those packages, the ones with guys who play sparingly or not at all, are better than a 15/10 player on a team friendly deal? They aren't even close.
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Post#46 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:07 pm by DocHoliday

HurricaneKid wrote:
whatthe_buck!? wrote:If we jump in and offer either Daly/2nd or Udoh/Dunleavy/2nd for Perk/Lamb/1st and get the thunder to agree I'm ecstatic no matter what else happens the rest of the deadline. I don't even care if we trade for Smith and Redick after, in fact if we did I'd be perfectly fine because we'd have a crappier first to send out for Redick and we could keep ours...


Do you think either of those packages, the ones with guys who play sparingly or not at all, are better than a 15/10 player on a team friendly deal? They aren't even close.


Dalembert has avg close to that as a starter when Sanders was out and gets paid the same. Anyway the Suns turned down the deal, so maybe OKC is still looking to dump Perkins salary.
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Post#47 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:07 pm by whatthe_buck!?

HurricaneKid wrote:
whatthe_buck!? wrote:If we jump in and offer either Daly/2nd or Udoh/Dunleavy/2nd for Perk/Lamb/1st and get the thunder to agree I'm ecstatic no matter what else happens the rest of the deadline. I don't even care if we trade for Smith and Redick after, in fact if we did I'd be perfectly fine because we'd have a crappier first to send out for Redick and we could keep ours...


Do you think either of those packages, the ones with guys who play sparingly or not at all, are better than a 15/10 player on a team friendly deal? They aren't even close.

No. But the suns apparently turned down the offer. If we give them expirings for Perkins with a big man included who knows, that might be enough to get them to say yes. Don't underestimate how much of a burden Perkins contract is to the Thunder...
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Post#48 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:26 pm by Siefer

I'd give up quite a bit to get Bledsoe. A young core of Bledsoe/Harris/Henson/Sanders would be pretty damn exciting.

Hell, as long as I'm dreaming...

Bledsoe/Gordon/Harris/Henson/Sanders :droop:
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Post#49 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:34 pm by whatthe_buck!?

Siefer wrote:I'd give up quite a bit to get Bledsoe. A young core of Bledsoe/Harris/Henson/Sanders would be pretty damn exciting.

Hell, as long as I'm dreaming...

Bledsoe/Gordon/Harris/Henson/Sanders :droop:

Yes please
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Post#50 Re: Gortat to OKC for Perk+JLamb+1st Rumor
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:36 pm by emunney

I don't see where there's a strong argument that Gortat is significantly better than Perkins or Dalembert.
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