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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#106 » by TheDIsSilent » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:29 pm

We all know what should happen and what will happen. Reddick should start but Monta will start. We're trying to make the playoffs and we're not going to go screwing with guys ego's or money. Bring Monta as a 6th man on this team and he's going to tear this team apart, that move alone will cost him a couple million dollars in his next contract.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#107 » by Bfinkish » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:30 pm

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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#108 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:31 pm

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ttime1 wrote:What other contending team has a stretch four starting? None..they come off the bench.

If you think any team is contending with Monta as one of their top pieces you are kidding yourself. No team on the face of the earth could build a contender with Monta as a top 2 player. We're not building a contender here any time soon.

ttime1 wrote:And what big man does Milwaukee have for you to come to that conclusion?

It's not the big man I need to see, it's the 8 years of Monta I've seen. He isn't very good.



We are not talking about any other team, we are talking about the Bucks! Moreover, you just supported my position as this team lacks over-all talent. Further, no matter how flawed his career has been in your opinion, it has been far better than Bogut's who was chosen #1 in the same draft that Ellis was chosen late in the 2nd round. Thus, Ellis has played beyond his expectations while replacing Bogut who played below his expectations.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#109 » by mlloyd10 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:33 pm

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Baddy Chuck wrote:Ersan is a better rebounder then most "tough and rugged" power forwards.


Please...the Bulls treat him like a rag doll and it is very apparent that when he is in the game, their rebounding, both offensive and defensive, improves significantly. But I don't blame him for that as it is the coaches who fail to counter with players who match up better who should get the blame. What other contending team has a stretch four starting? None..they come off the bench.


To be fair...There are only like 5 good stretch 4's in the league
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#110 » by Bfinkish » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:36 pm

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upnorthfan wrote:For the rest of this season we are a better team today than we were yesterday without giving up Henson, Sanders Jennings or picks. Thats the way you have to look at it.

Let's get locked in for a playoff run and let the chips fall where they may. FEAR THE DEER IS BACK!!

I would absolutely love it if u turned out to be right, but with Ellis still on this team killing chemistry I see zero chance this happens. That FTD run was 99% perfect chemistry. If we had completed the ATL part of the trade and shipped Ellis in it I could totally see it...



i agree "what the buck". Ellis is just cancer to the chemistry. I'm sure he's a nice guy but just killing us on the court. It's just so wearing on us that watch the games. You can just tell what will happen. I tell you the truth: Anytime ellis chucks up a shot I ALWAYS expect him to miss. Every time.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#111 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:36 pm

TheDIsSilent wrote:We all know what should happen and what will happen. Reddick should start but Monta will start. We're trying to make the playoffs and we're not going to go screwing with guys ego's or money. Bring Monta as a 6th man on this team and he's going to tear this team apart, that move alone will cost him a couple million dollars in his next contract.


There is nothing is Redick's resume to suggest this and the only reason why he SHOULD start over Monta is to please biased fans. I get that. But what I don't get is where YOU come across defaming the man's character. THIS is the reason why MILWAUKEE will NEVER attract legitimate talent.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#112 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:37 pm

ttime1 wrote:We are not talking about any other team, we are talking about the Bucks! Moreover, you just supported my position as this team lacks over-all talent. Further, no matter how flawed his career has been in your opinion, it has been far better than Bogut's who was chosen #1 in the same draft that Ellis was chosen late in the 2nd round. Thus, Ellis has played beyond his expectations while replacing Bogut who played below his expectations.

What the **** does Bogut or draft position have to do with Monta Ellis not being very good? The team obviously lacks talent, Monta included. Talent is nice, when your brain deficiencies override your talent a lot of it is negated though.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#113 » by Bfinkish » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:37 pm

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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#114 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:41 pm

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Baddy Chuck wrote:Ersan is a better rebounder then most "tough and rugged" power forwards.


Please...the Bulls treat him like a rag doll and it is very apparent that when he is in the game, their rebounding, both offensive and defensive, improves significantly. But I don't blame him for that as it is the coaches who fail to counter with players who match up better who should get the blame. What other contending team has a stretch four starting? None..they come off the bench.


To be fair...There are only like 5 good stretch 4's in the league


IDK..You could be right..but I don't consider some one like K.Love a stretch as he is a banger. Bonner, Anderson and I can't think of many more.
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Post#115 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:42 pm

ttime1 wrote:IDK..You could be right..but I don't consider some one like K.Love a stretch as he is a banger. Bonner, Anderson and I can't think of many more.

You're going to talk about talent and then put Matt Bonner in the same discussion as Anderson and Ersan? Jesus.....
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#116 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:44 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
ttime1 wrote:We are not talking about any other team, we are talking about the Bucks! Moreover, you just supported my position as this team lacks over-all talent. Further, no matter how flawed his career has been in your opinion, it has been far better than Bogut's who was chosen #1 in the same draft that Ellis was chosen late in the 2nd round. Thus, Ellis has played beyond his expectations while replacing Bogut who played below his expectations.

What the **** does Bogut or draft position have to do with Monta Ellis not being very good? The team obviously lacks talent, Monta included. Talent is nice, when your brain deficiencies override your talent a lot of it is negated though.


It's simple. He is better than what you had. Moreover, talent improves with better talent AND leadership to play with.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#117 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:47 pm

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ttime1 wrote:IDK..You could be right..but I don't consider some one like K.Love a stretch as he is a banger. Bonner, Anderson and I can't think of many more.

You're going to talk about talent and then put Matt Bonner in the same discussion as Anderson and Ersan? Jesus.....


If you don't consider Bonner a stretch 4, then Jesus will not be of much help here. LOL
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#118 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:47 pm

ttime1 wrote:It's simple. He is better than what you had. Moreover, talent improves with better talent AND leadership to play with.

Really? You want to bring injuries into play, sure. But Bogut was one of the best defenders in league, Monta is an inefficient 20 points. You want to talk about talent, I'd say Bogut was a much more talented player.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#119 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:49 pm

ttime1 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
ttime1 wrote:IDK..You could be right..but I don't consider some one like K.Love a stretch as he is a banger. Bonner, Anderson and I can't think of many more.

You're going to talk about talent and then put Matt Bonner in the same discussion as Anderson and Ersan? Jesus.....


If you don't consider Bonner a stretch 4, then Jesus will not be of much help here. LOL

He's a stretch four, sure. Is he as "talented" as Ersan? Not even close. I'm not even sure you can classify him as "good".
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#120 » by H2tObes » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:50 pm

ttime1 wrote:
TheDIsSilent wrote:We all know what should happen and what will happen. Reddick should start but Monta will start. We're trying to make the playoffs and we're not going to go screwing with guys ego's or money. Bring Monta as a 6th man on this team and he's going to tear this team apart, that move alone will cost him a couple million dollars in his next contract.


There is nothing is Redick's resume to suggest this and the only reason why he SHOULD start over Monta is to please biased fans. I get that. But what I don't get is where YOU come across defaming the man's character. THIS is the reason why MILWAUKEE will NEVER attract legitimate talent.

No, he should start over Monta because our backcourt is shooting an accumulative 40%, while Monta is shooting 22% from 3, while attempting nearly 4 a game. Monta Ellis is a talented player, but that doesnt make him good, he is simply a dumb player who will never be anymore then maybe a 4th option/6th man on a contender. Even then he is so stupid that he would probably take more shot attempts then anyone on the team and take your team out of contention until he's benched for good. :lol:
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#121 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:53 pm

I agree 100% with you that Bonner is not as talented; but he will get minutes in the play-offs and and in a few games he may get significant minutes. Which, should be Ersan's role...getting significant minutes with a TRUE PF.
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Post#122 » by jtrinaldi » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:54 pm

Monta should only be allowed to drive to the rim, and nothing else
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Post#123 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:54 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:great assessment. we need to avoid miami. if we get on a roll, which we all should be rooting FOR that to happen... we could legitimately face miami in the ecf. there isnt any other team in the east that isnt beatable by a bucks team thats playing well.

Woah Buddy. Both u and CHL need to chop that sh*t up and start selling what you're hogging between yourselves and get rich and just buy the Buck from Kohl in cash. There is NO WAY that we would beat the Bulls even without Rose in a playoff series even if we had gotten Josh Smith at the Deadline. Same goes for the Knicks and Pacers as well. U guys do realize that good teams that may think they can take it easy against us in the regular season will play hard against us from start to finish in a playoff game and will stomp the living sh*t out of us right??? Holy crap thats some dilusional BS if I've ever seen some smh...


Good teams are taking it easy on the Bucks? Really? That's your argument? Nobody in the East is resting for the postseason except Miami, Derrick Rose (who might not be back), and possibly Boston - although it's hard to know for sure whether they're resting or just too old to be consistently good. That's a ridiculous argument. If you think any of those other teams are juggernauts that are so good that they've decided to take nights off against a .500 team like the Bucks who could still pass them in the standings for homecourt advantage, you're probably not even worth responding to. And yet here I am. Go figure.

Nobody is saying the Bucks are better than those teams. But those teams aren't that much better than the Bucks. It's very possible that the Bucks could be better than several of them by the end of the regular season, especially after getting exactly the type of player they desperately needed at the trade deadline. This doesn't just add Redick, it also makes Ellis and Jennings better by opening up driving lanes. The whole will be closer to the sum of the parts - it was clearly much worse than the sum of the parts for most of the season.

And you include the Knicks and Pacers as "good" teams? Teams with an average scoring margin under +4 in an incredibly weak conference are considered good enough to stomp any mediocre team whenever they have a mind to? You obviously don't understand basketball at all. It's true that a 7-game series is usually long enough for the better team to prove itself, but it's far from a given when the advantage is as marginal as it would be for the Knicks, Nets, Granger-less Pacers, or Rose-less Bulls against the improved Bucks.
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

Post#124 » by ttime1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:58 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
ttime1 wrote:It's simple. He is better than what you had. Moreover, talent improves with better talent AND leadership to play with.

Really? You want to bring injuries into play, sure. But Bogut was one of the best defenders in league, Monta is an inefficient 20 points. You want to talk about talent, I'd say Bogut was a much more talented player.


Bogut played 1/2 of a season as one of the better defenders. Much too often no named centers would have him for lunch. Even the Buck's current center Dalabert (sp?)who comes off the bench now treated Bogut like a career night. If you consider that as one of the most talented, then so be it. But there is a reason why Bogut has been called Bogus in many circles outside of Wisconsin.

But I tell you what. Put a poll on the general board asking which of the two have had the most successful careers. But don't tire yourself running from neighbors to neighbor's houses casting votes as your efforts won't make much of a dent. Good exercise though. lol
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Re: What happens to our starting lineup with Redick? 

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