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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#76 » by LUKE23 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:44 pm

I haven't even really thought about Monta opting in. Holy hell would that suck.

As it stands, they have $27M in cap room if Ellis opts out, and around $34M in cap room if Ellis opts out and they amnesty Gooden. Take the 1st and 2nd rounder out of there, and you're probably looking at around $32M in cap room with 10 players signed. That's enough to easily fit all three of Jennings/Redick/Smith in. I wouldn't do that, because I don't trust Jennings and I think we overpay the other two, but it's what I expect us to try.

If they do land Smith, I then expect them to try and move Ilyasova for salary relief so they can fit Larry in the following offseason.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#77 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:52 pm

Jack/redick/millsap..... is better than jennings/ redick/ smith

Better fits for milwaukee market, better blend of talent, and better financially...... win/loss with either core could go either way. But theres alot less likelihood of total meltdown in the first scenario
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#78 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:56 pm

Jack will be 30 at the start of next year. With Milwaukee premium, I think it takes 4/32 to get him here.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#79 » by LUKE23 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:00 pm

No interest in Jack. I'd let Jennings walk as well.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#80 » by Newz » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:00 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I haven't even really thought about Monta opting in. Holy hell would that suck.

As it stands, they have $27M in cap room if Ellis opts out, and around $34M in cap room if Ellis opts out and they amnesty Gooden. Take the 1st and 2nd rounder out of there, and you're probably looking at around $32M in cap room with 10 players signed. That's enough to easily fit all three of Jennings/Redick/Smith in. I wouldn't do that, because I don't trust Jennings and I think we overpay the other two, but it's what I expect us to try.

If they do land Smith, I then expect them to try and move Ilyasova for salary relief so they can fit Larry in the following offseason.


I haven't been paying a ton of attention to the Bucks this year and I haven't been reading the board much... but I think it's pretty crazy that everyone is just assuming Monta is going to opt out. How many guys who have a year like Monta is having (a bad year where he is showing he clearly isn't worth what he is being paid) are willing to turn down $11-$12 million?

I'm not saying he won't opt out, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#81 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:10 pm

LUKE23 wrote:No interest in Jack. I'd let Jennings walk as well.


Well then whose your target? Id imagine if pps right about jacks contract id pass at his age too.

We offer smith or millsap the motherload.
We reup redick at basically whatever it costs.
We draft a pg preferably burke

And we sign or i guess trade for a pg making less than say 6 mil per at the very most on shorter term contract...... collison? Andre miller? Devin harris?
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#82 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:19 pm

Unfortunately I think we are stuck with Jennings unless he melts down the last 29 games.

We probably offer him a 4/$44 at the outset not to hurt his feelings. He explores the market, finds that the best deal and then takes it.

I'm troubled by this, however I am more troubled by Monta not opting out. We've got to dump his $11 million owed, but unless those shooting percentages come up, he may be here unless Phoenix offers him 4/$32.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#83 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:33 pm

There will be a team thats willing to absorb monta. Theres gonna be several teams hoarding space for the big free agency of 2014 when miamis guys are set to expire. Monta on an expiring can preserve that.

The biggest issue is whether we look to move him if he does opt in. Thats where my concern is
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#84 » by jtrinaldi » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:44 pm

Screw Smoove
Screw Jennings
Sign Dwight this offseason,
Lebron the next offseason.
Max out Larry
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#85 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:49 pm

No interest in dwight for the max. Lebron i could be convinced.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#86 » by showtimesam » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:13 pm

This offseason could have been truly special if we were hiring a new GM with a fresh perspective on how to turn this team around and a vision for the future.

Sadly Hambone is going to set this organization back another decade.

But back to the way this offseason should go (assuming we still can't properly "tank":
1. Agree on a 5 year contract extension with Larry Sanders (don't finalize until other moves are made)
2.See if you can resign Jennings for $8M or so a year (if not he can walk). If he walks try and sign a guy like Collison or Jack to a 2 year deal (give them a nice first year salary with our cap room to entice them to take a short term deal).
3.If we are truly confident in John Henson being our PF we should explore any deals with Ersan to bring in a young impact player at SF on a reasonable deal while Ers' value will be at its highest
4. Resign Redick to a 3 year deal
5. Best Player Available in Draft regardless of position
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#87 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:17 pm

showtimesam wrote:This offseason could have been truly special if we were hiring a new GM with a fresh perspective on how to turn this team around and a vision for the future.



That's the really hard part. We botched yet another trade deadline and the guy driving the ship is signed up here for another three years.

Would have preferred Kohl just said to Hammond - "Look John, I'll give you full autonomy at the trade deadline, but show me something special. Then we will talk contract extension"
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#88 » by showtimesam » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:19 pm

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showtimesam wrote:This offseason could have been truly special if we were hiring a new GM with a fresh perspective on how to turn this team around and a vision for the future.



That's the really hard part. We botched yet another trade deadline and the guy driving the ship is signed up here for another three years.

Would have preferred Kohl just said to Hammond - "Look John, I'll give you full autonomy at the trade deadline, but show me something special. Then we will talk contract extension"


Very true, Hammond must be the ultimate Herb Kohl "yes man" to have conned him out of an extension right after Skiles was fired. The man has accomplished literally nothing in his time here besides drafting Sanders.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#89 » by PedroGrande » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:28 pm

Amnisty Gooden
Let Sammy Go



(man i feel so bad laughing at that...)

Ellis Opt out
Keep Ersan, Henson
Extend Sanders (Better soon than later)


If we can sign jennings at less than 8M per we could do it (not likely)

Reddick 3 years if less than... 8M per (we will need to get the minimum salary)

Only trade Luc if it is for a 1rst or a good young player with potential.

Let Daniels, Pryz go.

Make an offer for Teague (like 8 or 9 M for 4 years)

With Dunleavy if we can get him for cheap, he can still bring something in a trade to a contender at the deadline.

So,

Teague (jennings) / Ish / (9+1)
JJ / Draft (8+3)
Dunleavy /Draft or Luc (4+5(3))
Ersan/Henson (8+2)
Sanders (9)

So we are looking at 10+11+9+10+9= 49 Mil commited (minnimum maybe?) + Fillers to have 15.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#90 » by Wilford Brimley » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:13 pm

The Mavericks were looking at Brandon Jennings prior to the trade deadline, and it appears they aren't giving up on pursuing the Bucks point guard. They'd "love" to nab him in restricted free agency this summer, and that's an outcome Jennings would like to happen as well, as Mitch Lawrence of the New York Daily News writes. The Bucks, though, will have the right to match any offer he gets, and earlier this season they informed him they intend to do just that.


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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#91 » by BigDoggyStyle » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:23 am

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The Mavericks were looking at Brandon Jennings prior to the trade deadline, and it appears they aren't giving up on pursuing the Bucks point guard. They'd "love" to nab him in restricted free agency this summer, and that's an outcome Jennings would like to happen as well, as Mitch Lawrence of the New York Daily News writes. The Bucks, though, will have the right to match any offer he gets, and earlier this season they informed him they intend to do just that.


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Man, I hope Cuban doesn't give him some ridiculous offer. Because it will undoubtedly be matched by the Bucks. I'd much rather just let him go if that was the case, but Hammond isn't that smart.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#92 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:30 am

I think 11 million is going to be the cutting point. Over that and I think even Hammond might let Jennings walk. Problem is, Monta is getting that money then.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#93 » by eagle13 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:54 am

CURRENT CONTRACTS = 31.0
Ersan 7.9
Gooden 6.7
Moute 4.6
Udoh 4.5
sanders 3.0
Henson 1.9
Ayon 1.5
Smith 0.9
TOTAL 31.0

Amnesty Gooden

TRADES
Moute & Two 2nds –ORL- oquinn moore harkless
Ersan udoh –PHX- gortat 1st-lp
Harkless two 1sts –LAC- Bledsoe
Gortat –CHI- Deng – Bulls save $6m & avoid lux tax

* It is a risk trading for Bledsoe as he hasn’t faced the test of time, but given the limited options, he’s clearly has the most upside.
* Despite huge talent discrepancy, Chicago almost swapped Boozer for Bargnani to save $5mil & avoid luxury tax. Their payroll goes up next season. They need to dump salary.
* Reddick’s best buddy on Magic was rookie late 1st pick Kyle O’Quinn a burly 6’10 PF who
has some upside. Make JJ feel good.
* Gortat is disgruntled. Suns were shopping him at deadline.

AFTER TRADES

ON ROSTER LAST SEASON
sanders - 3.0
Henson - 1.9
Ayon - 1.5
Smith - 0.9

ADDED BY TRADE
Deng - 14.3
Bledsoe - 2.1
O’Quinn - 0.8
Moore - 0.8

FREE AGENCY
Resign Reddick as last transaction.
Let all FAs walk
Clearly there is no way BJ deserves $12-13mil for his inefficient, can’t finish, moodiness.
He’ll go to a big market anyway.
I don’t believe JSmith will sign w/ us. Houston or Phoenix will. Or some S&T.

SIGNED
Al Jefferson 28 = 17m/y-4yrs
Gerald Henderson 25 = 20m/4yrs
Chase Budinger 24 = 16m/4yrs
Nate Robinson 28 = 5m/2y
DeMarre Carroll 26 = 4m/2y
Rony Turiaf 30 = 1.5m/1y

SALARY CAP= $58.04m / PAYROLL= $57.3m

RESIGN- Reddick 29 = 32m/4yrs

TOTAL PAYROLL= $65.8m
LUXURY TAX= $70m

ROSTER
Jefferson / Ayon / Turiaf
Sanders / Henson / Quninn
Deng / Budinger / Carroll
Reddick / Henderson / Moore
Bledsoe / Robinson / ISmith

NEXT OFF SEASON
EXPIRING= $23
Sanders, Bledsoe, Deng, O’Quinn, Ayon, Tuuriaf, Moore
THEN PAYROLL= $42.8m
IF Sanders & Bledsoe both play well Deng may be unaffordable.
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#94 » by braindazer » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:08 pm

I would like to see if the bucks could sign devin harris and resign jj, sammy and jr. and get rid of ellis and bj for starters . I think of a back court of harris and jj with our bigs would be much more balanced and effective . then maybe wipe out goodens contract and go after josh . starting 5- harris,jj,smith,ers,sanders . bench- jr,henson,prince,sammy,udoh ,and maybe get another 1/2 combo guard like luike ridnour , maybe some kinda of sign and trade for jennings .
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Re: What do you want to do this off-season? 

Post#95 » by LUKE23 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:20 pm

Devin Harris? Ick.

I'd go after Teague. If we can't land him (guessing Hawks match but who knows if they can make a big splash elsewhere), then I'd hopefully be able to land Burke in the draft (it will be close, I think if we miss the playoffs we can get him, if not, might miss him by a few spots). I would not match Jennings under any scenario. I don't trust him whatsoever moving forward.

I'd bring back Redick at anything $8M per year or less.

I'd definitely let Monta walk and amnesty Gooden. I wouldn't even look at Josh Smith at the money he'll cost, in addition to the fact that Moute/Ilyasova/Sanders/Henson is very good in the frontcourt. The problems long-term are at PG, SG, SF.

What we really need to avoid this offseason is giving big money to any of the following three players: Jennings, Ellis, Smith.
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