Bucks acquire Jared Dudley/2017 1st for Delfino/Miroslav/2nd

raferfenix · Post #501 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 2:57 pm

I hadn't been considering that the Suns (or any other team really) would value Dudley at all considering we got a 1st for just taking him.

However, this AZ Central article that Bleacher Report piece (for what it's worth) linked to sure makes a big deal about how high they were on him only a year ago:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... ck_check=1

Dudley, who became an essential player, popular teammate and a fan favorite over nearly five seasons with the Suns.

Dudley’s court savvy kept him on the floor, bringing effort, intelligence and those “athletic hands” to the defense and 3-point shooting and smart play to the offense, which also was graded with those occasional rim-skimming dunks from a 6-foot-7 wing with a horizontal game.

The influence of Steve Nash and Grant Hill helped Dudley become a fitter player and his scoring and rebounding averages improved annually over his first four Phoenix seasons.

I had been thinking that Middleton would be likely to be included in any kind of Bledsoe deal. But maybe not.

SupremeHustle · Post #502 » by **SupremeHustle** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:11 pm

Just read that Zoran Dragic might play in the NBA next season. If you have the chance to get a player named Zoran, you do it and worry about if he can play later.

Badgerlander · Post #503 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:16 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Just read that Zoran Dragic might play in the NBA next season. If you have the chance to get a player named Zoran, you do it and worry about if he can play later.

eagle13 · Post #504 » by **eagle13** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:02 pm

Suns are rumored to want a PF. They signed Tolliver as stretch 4 to replace Frye so Ersan isn’t wanted at his salary. Boston is headed for rebuild so will move Green for picks. Rockets need PG & backup 5 and have cap space to absorb salary.

MIL- OUT- Knight Zaza Dudley 1st
----------IN- Bledsoe 2nd
HOU- OUT- 1st, 2nd
-----------IN- Knight, Zaza
BOS- OUT- Green
-----------IN- 1stLP, 1stLP,
PHX- OUT- Bledsoe 2nd
----------IN- Green Dudley

Nebula1 · Post #505 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:36 pm

Why do Rox need a point guard (not that Knight really is)? Pat Beverly is fine, unless looking for a big upgrade (which Knight is not) and I doubt giving up a 1st and 2nd makes sense.

Pass. Although I do like the idea of adding Zaza a little bit but there are other centers out there.

M-C-G · Post #506 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:37 pm

eagle13 wrote:Suns are rumored to want a PF. They signed Tolliver as stretch 4 to replace Frye so Ersan isn’t wanted at his salary. Boston is headed for rebuild so will move Green for picks. Rockets need PG & backup 5 and have cap space to absorb salary.

MIL- OUT- Knight Zaza Dudley 1st
----------IN- Bledsoe 2nd
HOU- OUT- 1st, 2nd
-----------IN- Knight, Zaza
BOS- OUT- Green
-----------IN- 1stLP, 1stLP,
PHX- OUT- Bledsoe 2nd
----------IN- Green Dudley

Do you really have Jeff Green returning TWO first round picks? I haven't seen him play in a while, but that appears to be ludicrious for Boston to unload 9M of salary this year and get two picks back for a guy that averaged 17 pts but a per in the 13's. Something tells me that is not a quality player.

Dcebucks11 · Post #507 » by **Dcebucks11** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:49 pm

eagle13 wrote:Suns are rumored to want a PF. They signed Tolliver as stretch 4 to replace Frye so Ersan isn’t wanted at his salary. Boston is headed for rebuild so will move Green for picks. Rockets need PG & backup 5 and have cap space to absorb salary.

MIL- OUT- Knight Zaza Dudley 1st
----------IN- Bledsoe 2nd
HOU- OUT- 1st, 2nd
-----------IN- Knight, Zaza
BOS- OUT- Green
-----------IN- 1stLP, 1stLP,
PHX- OUT- Bledsoe 2nd
----------IN- Green Dudley

how are the bucks going to dump two contracts for bledsoe and a 2nd? knight and a 1st is not enough to cover the cost.

tski1972 · Post #508 » by **tski1972** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:55 pm

can we trade eagle13?

htr · Post #509 » by **htr** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 7:42 pm

We can, but it gets awfully complicated with four teams involved and lots of players too.

CanadaBucks · Post #510 » by **CanadaBucks** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 7:46 pm

Dcebucks11 wrote:
eagle13 wrote:Suns are rumored to want a PF. They signed Tolliver as stretch 4 to replace Frye so Ersan isn’t wanted at his salary. Boston is headed for rebuild so will move Green for picks. Rockets need PG & backup 5 and have cap space to absorb salary.

MIL- OUT- Knight Zaza Dudley 1st
----------IN- Bledsoe 2nd
HOU- OUT- 1st, 2nd
-----------IN- Knight, Zaza
BOS- OUT- Green
-----------IN- 1stLP, 1stLP,
PHX- OUT- Bledsoe 2nd
----------IN- Green Dudley

how are the bucks going to dump two contracts for bledsoe and a 2nd? knight and a 1st is not enough to cover the cost.

It doesn't specify which Bucks 1st it is but if it's 2015 I'm not interested. I'd wait and see what happens. I don't think Houston is interested in taking on that salary though and as someone else said, why does Boston get 2 1sts for a crappy player

cinematographer · Post #511 » by **cinematographer** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 10:54 pm

I wouldn't trade two firsts each protected 1-29 for Jeff Green.

AussieBuck · Post #512 » by **AussieBuck** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 10:07 am

I'd take him on while tanking for a 1st I guess.

Frank Nova · Post #513 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 4:51 pm

Did the Bucks get or give the 1st rd pick? I just read on si.com a small quote from Dudley about being a professional whether u play for a contender or a rebuilder and after his quote the writer said that Dudley was traded to Milwaukee for Delfino, Miroslav and a 1st round pick. I thought we acquired the pick? Can someone confirm this please.

CanadaBucks · Post #514 » by **CanadaBucks** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 5:43 pm

weezybaby856 wrote:Did the Bucks get or give the 1st rd pick? I just read on si.com a small quote from Dudley about being a professional whether u play for a contender or a rebuilder and after his quote the writer said that Dudley was traded to Milwaukee for Delfino, Miroslav and a 1st round pick. I thought we acquired the pick? Can someone confirm this please.

The 2017 pick was acquired by the Bucks, 1-15 protected 17, 18, 19 then reverts to a 2nd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021 iirc

Frank Nova · Post #515 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 6:40 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:Did the Bucks get or give the 1st rd pick? I just read on si.com a small quote from Dudley about being a professional whether u play for a contender or a rebuilder and after his quote the writer said that Dudley was traded to Milwaukee for Delfino, Miroslav and a 1st round pick. I thought we acquired the pick? Can someone confirm this please.

The 2017 pick was acquired by the Bucks, 1-15 protected 17, 18, 19 then reverts to a 2nd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021 iirc

Thank you I appreciate it. I was confused for a second because I started thinking I wasn't 100% sure what was officially confirmed, I know there were questions on that before. So just to clarify it's likely a 2017 1st round pick probably in the mid 20 range if LAC continues the way they are going 2 years from now, right?

CanadaBucks · Post #516 » by **CanadaBucks** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 7:45 pm

weezybaby856 wrote:
CanadaBucks wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:Did the Bucks get or give the 1st rd pick? I just read on si.com a small quote from Dudley about being a professional whether u play for a contender or a rebuilder and after his quote the writer said that Dudley was traded to Milwaukee for Delfino, Miroslav and a 1st round pick. I thought we acquired the pick? Can someone confirm this please.

The 2017 pick was acquired by the Bucks, 1-15 protected 17, 18, 19 then reverts to a 2nd in 2020 and a 2nd in 2021 iirc

Thank you I appreciate it. I was confused for a second because I started thinking I wasn't 100% sure what was officially confirmed, I know there were questions on that before. So just to clarify it's likely a 2017 1st round pick probably in the mid 20 range if LAC continues the way they are going 2 years from now, right?

Yes, best hope for us is that they finish 8th in the West in one of those 3 years....but a good return for paying out Dudley 1 year of 4.25m if we can't/won't move him. Also saved 500k this year in salary

Frank Nova · Post #517 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 7:54 pm

Yeah I thought it was a decent trade truthfully. Dudley is probably the best "movable" player involved and a future 1st is always nice.

I'm hoping this was a small asset collection to boost a Bledsoe trade. Dudley spent 5yrs in PHX and was apparently a fan favorite there as well so maybe it intertwines? Maybe I'm grasping at straws trying to really like a minor move, idk.

JEIS · Post #518 » by **JEIS** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 9:13 pm

What did Phoenix give up to get Bledsoe? I think the 2017 first rounder, Dudley, and Ers likely gets the deal done. I think we are overvaluing Bledsoe's market a bit.

raferfenix · Post #519 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 10:25 pm

Players who are traded have a trade restriction for a period of time where they can only be traded in a 1 player for 1 player deal, right?

Now that wouldn't necessarily prohibit Dudley going to Phoenix in a deal for Bledsoe. But it would complicate it.

On the flipside I could see the Suns insisting on Middleton in any potential Bledsoe to the Bucks scenarios, which would preclude Dudley heading that way as is.

Post #520 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Sep 6, 2014 11:07 pm

raferfenix wrote:On the flipside I could see the Suns insisting on Middleton in any potential Bledsoe to the Bucks scenarios, which would preclude Dudley heading that way as is.

Personally at this point I think Phoenix jumps at an offer of Ersan, Middleton and that Clippers pick, with us taking Bledsoe back at 4/$63