Simmons Trade Value Column '15

Post #1 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:36 pm

I will never not love the Simmons trade value chart.

Knight kicks it off at #60 and this will make you dry heave.

60. Brandon Knight
2015’s “Wait, What?” MVP. Did you know he’s the best player on a potential no. 5 seed? Did you know he turned 23 in December? Did you know he’s averaging 18.2 points with 45-40-89 percent splits right now? Did you know he’s a restricted free agent who might get the max this summer? Wait, what?

Important note: With the NBA’s salary cap about to morph into 30 Jerry Bruckheimer action movie budgets, we can’t blindly toss around the phrase “max player” anymore. Durant is a max player no matter what the market is. Same for LeBron and Harden and Marc Gasol and maybe 15 other guys. But Knight could get the max only because these next three summers are going to seem like everyone made NBA Live rosters with the rules turned off. Is Brandon Knight a max player? No way. But he might be something I just made up: “a market max player.”

Have to wait a couple weeks to find out where Giannis and (presumably) Parker land in the top 30.

Insomniaac · Post #2 » by **Insomniaac** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:42 pm

Unfortunately agree that it's possible Knight could fall into his "market max player" category with the way everyone is forecasting the cap. Just hope to god we're not the ones to offer/match that contract if he does get it.

Post #3 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:57 pm

Brandon's trade value is NEVER going to be higher than it is right now.

Even if he is used properly as a Jason Terry/Mo Williams type guy, he's not necessarily going to have any asset value at $12 to $16 million a year. He can score efficiently all he wants, but he won't overcome hogging $16 million of our cap.

We need to sell here in the event there is a team that loves him and would give up something halfway decent.

Newz · Post #4 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:58 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Brandon's trade value is NEVER going to be higher than it is right now.

Even if he is used properly as a Jason Terry/Mo Williams type guy, he's not necessarily going to have any asset value at $12 to $16 million a year. He can score efficiently all he wants, but he won't overcome hogging $16 million of our cap.

We need to sell here in the event there is a team that loves him and would give up something halfway decent.

I would be willing to bet the odds that we trade Knight are significantly lower than the odds that we give him a max contract.

Post #5 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:00 pm

Newz wrote:
I would be willing to bet the odds that we trade Knight are significantly lower than the odds that we give him a max contract.

TroyD92 · Post #6 » by **TroyD92** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:01 pm

Just looking at your post with Knight making 16M per year made me cringe.

Cooleyo47 · Post #7 » by **Cooleyo47** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:15 pm

I still think he falls in the Kemba range of $12-13 per, and I think the Bucks will be more than willing to pay that. It's just the reality IMO.

raferfenix · Post #8 » by **raferfenix** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:21 pm

Speaking of Brandon Knight, this comparison seems increasingly apt...

Kemba Walker: Maybe he’s a little too overpaid/me-first/one-dimensional/metric-unfriendly right now, and maybe he doesn’t have a conventional position … but he’s competitive enough and fearless enough that he could thrive on a contender someday. In other words, meet the next Monta Ellis.

If the Lakers or Knicks or whoever might want to max out Knight we better bail on him now. It's not like they have assets so great that they'd deal in a sign and trade anyways.

Otherwise we rick being a sucker placeholder team until he gets traded to a contender to come off the bench -- maybe like Nick Van Exel from the Nuggets to the Mavs back in the day.

Zeezprah · Post #9 » by **Zeezprah** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:25 pm

yea as much as many of us want it, there's no way knight gets traded

machu46 · Post #10 » by **machu46** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:25 pm

Reading that article now...I will continue to pray we keep our offer around a max of $12 million, but we'll see. Even I wouldn't be happy with anything approaching the max.

machu46 · Post #11 » by **machu46** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:26 pm

Reading that article now...I will continue to pray we keep our offer around a max of $12 million, but we'll see. Even I wouldn't be happy with anything approaching the max.

Post #12 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:26 pm

My guess as to the 37 players remaining:

Kyle Lowry
Carmelo Anthony
Jimmy Butler
Giannis
Jabari Parker
LeBron James
Kyrie Irving
Andre Drummond
Paul George
Al Horford
John Wall
Bradley Beal**
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Luol Deng**
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Rudy Gobert
Andrew Wiggins
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Andrew Bogut**
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul
Boogie Cousins
Mike Conley
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
James Harden
Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
Kawhi Leonard
Tony Parker
Anthony Davis

**not entirely sure about these dudes.

Anyone wanna rank 'em? Sub in someone I missed?

ETA: Bogut, Irving and James in, Manu, Plumlee out.

Insomniaac · Post #13 » by **Insomniaac** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:33 pm

^You missed LeBron

Who do you guys think is #1? Davis?

HurricaneKid · Post #14 » by **HurricaneKid** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:34 pm

You aren't skewing young enough. Bogut? One of the best 37 contracts in the NBA? Nah...

Post #15 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:36 pm

MKE wrote:^You missed LeBron

Who do you guys think is #1? Davis?

Christ, I straight up missed the cavs.

Subbed out Bogut and Manu, and now the only players I'm not sure about are Beal and Deng. Beal makes it because he's young, Deng because of his defense.

machu46 · Post #16 » by **machu46** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:36 pm

MKE wrote:^You missed LeBron

Who do you guys think is #1? Davis?

He's gotta be #1, right? Not sure it's even close. I imagine Lillard and Westbrook/Durant are probably up there as well. I wonder how high Drummond is on that list.

TroyD92 · Post #17 » by **TroyD92** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:40 pm

machu46 wrote:
MKE wrote:^You missed LeBron

Who do you guys think is #1? Davis?

He's gotta be #1, right? Not sure it's even close. I imagine Lillard and Westbrook/Durant are probably up there as well. I wonder how high Drummond is on that list.

I think Davis is #1, Durant #2, Lebron #3.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #18 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:48 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:My guess as to the 37 players remaining:

Kyle Lowry
Mason Plumlee
Carmelo Anthony
Jimmy Butler
Giannis
Jabari Parker
LeBron James
Kyrie Irving
Andre Drummond
Paul George
Al Horford
John Wall
Bradley Beal**
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Luol Deng**
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Rudy Gobert
Andrew Wiggins
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul
Boogie Cousins
Mike Conley
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
James Harden
Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
Kawhi Leonard
Tony Parker
Anthony Davis

**not entirely sure about these dudes.

Anyone wanna rank 'em? Sub in someone I missed?

ETA: Irving and James in, Bogut and Manu out.

giannis should be top 20.

Plumlee is already on there so he's not top 37. Maybe markief Morris cracks the list because his 8 million per extension looks like a steal?

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machu46 · Post #19 » by **machu46** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:50 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
machu46 wrote:
MKE wrote:^You missed LeBron

Who do you guys think is #1? Davis?

He's gotta be #1, right? Not sure it's even close. I imagine Lillard and Westbrook/Durant are probably up there as well. I wonder how high Drummond is on that list.

I think Davis is #1, Durant #2, Lebron #3.

Very possible. I think there's a chance Lillard or Westbrook gets in over LeBron based on age/contract, but we'll see.

OH! Steph Curry has to be super high considering his contract. Harden too (but obviously his contract isn't quite as much a steal as Steph's).

raferfenix · Post #20 » by **raferfenix** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:52 pm

Do we agree with this?

Jrue Holiday (no. 40) is Darren Collison with better defense and a better agent …