Simmons Trade Value Column '15

[Insomniaac]

He's gotta be #1, right? Not sure it's even close. I imagine Lillard and Westbrook/Durant are probably up there as well. I wonder how high Drummond is on that list.

I think Davis is #1, Durant #2, Lebron #3.

Very possible. I think there's a chance Lillard or Westbrook gets in over LeBron based on age/contract, but we'll see.

OH! Steph Curry has to be super high considering his contract. Harden too (but obviously his contract isn't quite as much a steal as Steph's).

Yeah I was thinking Curry at #2 but it would be hard to put anyone other than Davis ahead of KD. Curry at #3 sounds right since LeBron would be a rental unless he promised to resign

[ReasonablySober]

Plumlee is already on there so he's not top 37. Maybe markief Morris cracks the list because his 8 million per extension looks like a steal?

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Good catch.

But Morris is also on there.

I guess I'm adding Bogut back on until someone comes up with a better idea.

[buckboy]

My guess as to the 37 players remaining:

Kyle Lowry
Mason Plumlee
Carmelo Anthony
Jimmy Butler
Giannis
Jabari Parker
LeBron James
Kyrie Irving
Andre Drummond
Paul George
Al Horford
John Wall
Bradley Beal**
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Luol Deng**
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Rudy Gobert
Andrew Wiggins
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul
Boogie Cousins
Mike Conley
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
James Harden
Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
Kawhi Leonard
Tony Parker
Anthony Davis

**not entirely sure about these dudes.

Anyone wanna rank 'em? Sub in someone I missed?

ETA: Irving and James in, Bogut and Manu out.

giannis should be top 20.

Plumlee is already on there so he's not top 37. Maybe markief Morris cracks the list because his 8 million per extension looks like a steal?

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Markieff was #40.

I can't believe Deng would be on this list but I have no idea who would replace him.

[ReasonablySober]

I can't believe Deng would be on this list but I have no idea who would replace him.

I think I'm putting Deng on there because last season Lowe wrote glowingly of his defensive versatility. The Bulls were 2nd in defense, now this season they're 13th. Not all on Deng, of course, but I think he's a big reason for the drop.

Then again Miami has been terrible on defense so ¯\(°_o)/¯

[paulpressey25]

Just looking at your post with Knight making 16M per year made me cringe.

He's going to immediately fall out of this list next year if he's paid even $12 million a year.

I think we need to cease talking about his advanced stats and rather think up some teams/organizations that might give up an asset for him in the next three weeks.

[Lippo]

Could we trade him now, get something, and offer him a max anyway next offseason? Us offer 4/60 and force our trade partner to go 5/75?

[WeekapaugGroove]

My guess as to the 37 players remaining:

Kyle Lowry
Mason Plumlee
Carmelo Anthony
Jimmy Butler
Giannis
Jabari Parker
LeBron James
Kyrie Irving
Andre Drummond
Paul George
Al Horford
John Wall
Bradley Beal**
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Luol Deng**
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Rudy Gobert
Andrew Wiggins
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul
Boogie Cousins
Mike Conley
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
James Harden
Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
Kawhi Leonard
Tony Parker
Anthony Davis

**not entirely sure about these dudes.

Anyone wanna rank 'em? Sub in someone I missed?

ETA: Irving and James in, Bogut and Manu out.

giannis should be top 20.

Plumlee is already on there so he's not top 37. Maybe markief Morris cracks the list because his 8 million per extension looks like a steal?

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Markieff was #40.

I can't believe Deng would be on this list but I have no idea who would replace him.

ha yeah I totally missed morris. Yeah Deng would be a reach. Not sure who's missing though.

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[Insomniaac]

Just looking at your post with Knight making 16M per year made me cringe.

He's going to immediately fall out of this list next year if he's paid even $12 million a year.

I think we need to cease talking about his advanced stats and rather think up some teams/organizations that might give up an asset for him in the next three weeks.

Everything is speculation right now but if the cap jumps 33% and $12M new cap = $9M current cap, I think he could potentially still be an asset, or at least have neutral value. That's probably about the limit though.

[Newz]

^You missed LeBron

Who do you guys think is #1? Davis?

He's gotta be #1, right? Not sure it's even close. I imagine Lillard and Westbrook/Durant are probably up there as well. I wonder how high Drummond is on that list.

I think Davis is #1, Durant #2, Lebron #3.

Seems right to me. LeBron is starting to show signs of slowing down, Durant has the type of skillset that will last long-term and Davis has flashed the ability to be better than either of those guys (plus he's significantly younger).

[emunney]

Just looking at your post with Knight making 16M per year made me cringe.

He's going to immediately fall out of this list next year if he's paid even $12 million a year.

I think we need to cease talking about his advanced stats and rather think up some teams/organizations that might give up an asset for him in the next three weeks.

Sacramento, Utah and Denver are the only three that come to mind who actually have assets. We're not pulling Exum or Gobert out of Utah, but maybe we can get Burke and a pick swap. Sacramento is in because Sacramento. Stauskas would probably be the main piece there. Knight shows up well in WS/48 (identical to Lawson) which Denver allegedly loves, so maybe with his youth, we can trade him for Lawson and an asset. I would target that right to swap with the Knicks in 2016, because that is awesome, but I doubt we could get that, and also I'm not sure how/if those can be traded on.

[Wisky4life]

It was an interesting read. I needed to sober up a little after last nights garbage game.

[emunney]

Just looking at your post with Knight making 16M per year made me cringe.

He's going to immediately fall out of this list next year if he's paid even $12 million a year.

I think we need to cease talking about his advanced stats and rather think up some teams/organizations that might give up an asset for him in the next three weeks.

Usually you're only speculating on young players with their growth. With what a lot of people think is going to happen this offseason, people will be speculating both on improvement and on the cap exploding. We know it's going to go up a lot, but we don't know exactly how they're going to manage it, how sudden it will be. It might be that the smart move is the same as the smart move usually is: let the impulse buyers loose, then capitalize on the remorse.

If there's one constant, it's that when the market loosens up, bad contracts fly around like farts in an Arby's. Somebody's got to be left standing to... not be covered in fart particles (farticles™)? I don't know about that simile.

[paulpressey25]

If there's one constant, it's that when the market loosens up, bad contracts fly around like farts in an Arby's. Somebody's got to be left standing to... not be covered in fart particles (farticles™)? I don't know about that simile.

This offseason is going to be very similar to 2004 when guys like Brian Cardinal and Etan Thomas got 6/$40 deals. Is there a website that lists big FA contracts given in July by year? If not, someone needs to create that.

You are going to have the full list of intriguing RFA's all get max offers of 4/$64. I'm talking Butler, Tobias, etc. And maybe Kanter and Brandon Knight enter that list as well.

I guarantee at least 3/4's of the teams that end up with those guys, under those contracts, will regret it within 12-months.

[jakecronus8]

Reading that bit about Knight being a "market max player" gave me the runs.

[raferfenix]

I could see the Kings giving up some pieces we'd really like for Knight / Ersan.

Could add in Henson there too if warranted.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Has there ever been any numbers leaked on what the bucks offered and what Brandon wanted this past summer?

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[ReasonablySober]

My guess:

37 - Deng
36 - Bogut
35 - Beal
34 - Dirk
33 - Gobert
32 - Wade
31 - Bosh
30 - Parker
29 - Anthony
28 - Duncan
27 - Parker
26 - Irving
25 - Giannis
24 - Conley
23 - Ibaka
22 - George
21 - Griffin
20 - Aldridge
19 - Howard
18 - Butler
17 - Lowry
16 - Paul
15 - Wiggins
14 - Horford
13 - Leonard
12 - Thompson
11 - Gasol
10 - Lillard
9 - Drummond
8 - Boogie
7 - Wall
6 - Westbrook
5 - Harden
4 - Curry
3 - James
2 - Durant
1 - Davis

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LUKE23]

There is no way I'd give Knight $12M per year even with the rising cap. Unfortunately, I think that's probably best case scenario at this point. Trade, trade, trade.

[buckboy]

I can't believe Deng would be on this list but I have no idea who would replace him.

I think I'm putting Deng on there because last season Lowe wrote glowingly of his defensive versatility. The Bulls were 2nd in defense, now this season they're 13th. Not all on Deng, of course, but I think he's a big reason for the drop.

Then again Miami has been terrible on defense so ¯\(°_o)/¯

I don't disagree with your reasoning. I do disagree with Simmons if that's the case though. I mean, I wouldn't trade anyone from 60-38 for Deng. Except Knight of course.

[BobbyLight]

I'm going to be so, so sad going into next year with Knight making $12mil or more, Jabari not being ready for the start of the season and our 1st rounder, pick 15.